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New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO
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Got a pic of Dimond's lead engineer racing with a new frame this past weekend. He did go on to win his AG and KQ in his first Ironman.

Looks like some small changes to the dimensions of the beam near the head tube and some material added near the RD mount to create a fairing for the rear wheel/tire.


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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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I was wondering when someone was going to post about this...

Looks like some added storage options.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Here's to hoping for a price drop on the previous one..... Probably wishful thinking though.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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I know where you can get a killer deal on a used one if you can fit on a small. I'm ready to place an order for the new one once it's ready. ;-)
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Ha....I think the small would probably come to my knees, I'm 6'10".
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Help me understand what exactly is different? Because I'm not seeing it.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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The top of the beam appears to be higher so that it now sits in-line with the top of the Aduro. On the current frame the Aduro or almost any aerobar sits higher than the top of the beam.

Also, if you look behind the crank arm, the FD mount arm is no longer there and in it's place is more frame material to fair the rear wheel. My guess is the FD mount is bolted to the other side like a more traditional braze-on mount would be.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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the small would probably come to my knees

What I'm hearing you say is it would be *really* aero

I do the same thing as them, just slower
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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I assume it's custom paint, but I dig the gold leaf look on the logos. I've been pretty meh on the whole beam bike fad but that's a cool looking bike to me and I admire what TJ and crew have been able to accomplish.

Too spendy for me though, at least given my current involvement in the sport.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.

Seriously? I would buy one in a heartbeat (although I can't afford it any time soon) and I would insist on no disc brake.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.


Seriously? I would buy one in a heartbeat (although I can't afford it any time soon) and I would insist on no disc brake.

Seriously. Disc brakes are coming and they are coming fast whether I or you or Tom A likes it or not. You might buy one in a heartbeat, and in three years you will be stuck with a heap of carbon (and wheels) that nobody wants to buy. Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. The new Cervelo will be the first beam bike with discs. Dimond will have to respond quickly.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?

Not a good analogy. Shifting changes didn't make a frame obsolete.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
You might buy one in a heartbeat, and in three years you will be stuck with a heap of carbon (and wheels) that nobody wants to buy. Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?

I sure hope we aren't all making our buying decision based on "what people might want to buy used in 3 years."

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [FatandSlow] [ In reply to ]
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FatandSlow wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?


Not a good analogy. Shifting changes didn't make a frame obsolete.

Maybe a better analogy would be the idiotic 2016 Specialized Crux bicycles with the 135mm spacing in the rear.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Seriously. Disc brakes are coming and they are coming fast whether I or you or Tom A likes it or not. You might buy one in a heartbeat, and in three years you will be stuck with a heap of carbon (and wheels) that nobody wants to buy. Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?

I just sold my P4 which was the fastest bike I've ever owned by far. Big part of my rationale was that I was already behind the curve with it being 10-speed mech, then with another Cervelo about to drop I'd be 2 generations behind on frames, behind on derailleur tech and now wheel tech to boot. Not that I'm convinced that any of those things would make a huge objective difference in performance, but I wasn't using the bike much and I think those things will make a huge difference in the subjective resale value of the bike in the near future.

That said, the coming discpocalypse might be a good thing for the rim holdovers. Think of all the great deals you'll be able to get on used high end rim race wheels.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [tgarson] [ In reply to ]
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tgarson wrote:
Think of all the great deals you'll be able to get on used high end rim race wheels.

Careful with this logic. Tubular proponents said the same thing a handful of years ago.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [tgarson] [ In reply to ]
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tgarson wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Seriously. Disc brakes are coming and they are coming fast whether I or you or Tom A likes it or not. You might buy one in a heartbeat, and in three years you will be stuck with a heap of carbon (and wheels) that nobody wants to buy. Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?


I just sold my P4 which was the fastest bike I've ever owned by far. Big part of my rationale was that I was already behind the curve with it being 10-speed mech, then with another Cervelo about to drop I'd be 2 generations behind on frames, behind on derailleur tech and now wheel tech to boot. Not that I'm convinced that any of those things would make a huge objective difference in performance, but I wasn't using the bike much and I think those things will make a huge difference in the subjective resale value of the bike in the near future.

That said, the coming discpocalypse might be a good thing for the rim holdovers. Think of all the great deals you'll be able to get on used high end rim race wheels.

For the next 5 years people will over pay for disc brake equipped race wheels while selling their current rim brake wheels at firesale prices. I'm steering clear of disc for a while. There is no functionality enhancement worth that upgrade premium for me "yet".
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:

For the next 5 years people will over pay for disc brake equipped race wheels while selling their current rim brake wheels at firesale prices. I'm steering clear of disc for a while. There is no functionality enhancement worth that upgrade premium for me "yet".

Does that mean you're finally pulling the trigger on that non-disc Dimond? ;-)

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [gregtay] [ In reply to ]
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Well, if you're anything like me, you prefer to have the nicest/best shit at the lowest financial burden. That's just simple micro economics. I do that by constantly trading up in equipment and technology and selling off what is outdated or what is about to be. I just cleared three Quarqs -- with a very modest upgrade fee I can have the latest and greatest, which retains significantly more value in the short to medium term.

What we're about to see here is the value of rim brake bikes and related wheels fall off a CLIFF. Maybe that's fine with you and you'll ride those bikes into the ground. Just know that when you're ready for a new bike, you'll have nothing to offset the cost.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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I can't wait for disc brakes! they will make 0% of people faster yet Ill be able to get a bike and wheels just as fast because its "OLD" tech.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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When someone produces aero data comparing the same frame in a disc and non-disc version in where the disc version is faster, and someone produces a full hydraulic TT brake lever (not cable actuated disc brakes), then I'll consider it.

As for down tube shifters and tubulars, I still own a frame that has both and it gets ridden quite a bit. Still race on tubulars too.

You are right in that disc brakes are being forced upon us by the component suppliers, but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to use them. Disc brakes are great on a MTB or for CX, but unless you truly know how to use your brakes when entering a turn, discs will not make you faster. Plenty of boys and girls in Belgium still winning CX races on canti brakes.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
tgarson wrote:
Think of all the great deals you'll be able to get on used high end rim race wheels.

Careful with this logic. Tubular proponents said the same thing a handful of years ago.

And some of those rim-brake wheels will come with a free PowerTap. You might also be finding great deals on tubes if tubeless takes off. Pre-NSW Zipps will be worth nothing!
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
tgarson wrote:
Think of all the great deals you'll be able to get on used high end rim race wheels.


Careful with this logic. Tubular proponents said the same thing a handful of years ago.

Isn't that valid? Certainly seems to be a buyer's market for used tubular wheels.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [trail] [ In reply to ]
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A buyers market for those okay with old, slower tech. Sure.

That's not most of us.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
A buyers market for those okay with old, slower tech. Sure.

That's not most of us.

I thought we were talking about tubular users <running, ducking>.

More seriously, in the classifieds it just seems that even top-of-the-line, late-model tubbies have to be pretty severely discounted before they go. The market for them is shrinking to roadies who get support vehicles and fuddy-duddy triathletes with Colnagos.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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There are definitely some watts there.

Unfortunately they are not going to be able to deal with zero yaw performance without a major mold update, while they may have been able to do these changes with their current molds (though not sure they have, I just know it's possible sometimes).

The FD change is the big one I have advocated for. It's just dumb not to fill that in.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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A.Hart wrote:
I know where you can get a killer deal on a used one if you can fit on a small. I'm ready to place an order for the new one once it's ready. ;-)

Perfect example of tubies being offered at a killer deal - A.Hart's C75's! Very tempting!
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.

I have a road bike with disc brakes and I can't wait to go back to rim brakes. Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount. I won't be buying a tri bike with discs anytime soon

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, that's why I still race on them, that and I don't have to worry about pinch flats. I just picked up a Pro Textreme disc and Textreme 3 spoke for just a few pennies more than what I'm selling my C75s for. I'd rather glue up 10 tubulars than change one tube.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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No Rob. You need disc brakes to slow you down. It's the only way I'll catch you on the bike.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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A.Hart wrote:
Yep, that's why I still race on them, that and I don't have to worry about pinch flats. I just picked up a Pro Textreme disc and Textreme 3 spoke for just a few pennies more than what I'm selling my C75s for. I'd rather glue up 10 tubulars than change one tube.

Ummm...where did you get the deal on the Textreme's?!?
I've been using Super9 and 808 clinchers the past year, but miss the tubies that I used for the previous 20+ years. Thinking of going back, rolling resistance be damned. Love me some Veloflex Carbons... :)
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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robgray wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.


I have a road bike with disc brakes and I can't wait to go back to rim brakes. Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount. I won't be buying a tri bike with discs anytime soon

This. In triathlon, if you're using brakes, you're doing it wrong!

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Outside of these jokers who seem to brake during a race....

Outside of people freaking out about aesthetics or whatever individual issue one may have with this scenario. Is it possible to run two different styles of brakes? IE..... Should the guys a Dimond (or really anyone) choose to develop an alternate fork with a disc brake could it be run with a standard pull brake in the rear? Is anything technically stopping one from doing that?

I own a Dimond and I too never brake.. hell... don't even brake at T2.. just jump off and start running!!!!

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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robgray wrote:
Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount.


Whether you use them is not the point. Whether you need them is not the point. The fact is they are coming. And soon -- like in two weeks, soon -- the best equipment will have disc brakes. Wait a bit longer and all the decent equipment will.

I don't want them to come either for a number of reasons. But I am rational enough to know that they are and intelligent enough to make moves to limit my financial exposure as they do. Enjoy your tubulars and your shitty old slow equipment. I'll be rolling around on my Px with HEDs for the minor upgrade consideration you were too foolish to consider when you had the chance. When you finally do decide to join the big leagues, you'll need well over $5k to do so.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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robgray wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.


Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount

Mmm, love all the hyperbole.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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James Haycraft wrote:
robgray wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.


Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount


Mmm, love all the hyperbole.

Rob is lying. I have seen him riding his brakes all the way down Beech Hill at Wildflower before being the last person to check into transition. I've also seen him riding the brakes in a big way down Mount Hamilton, and Sierra Road and even on Silvercreek when he got hit by a side wind gust. Now to make up for that, he's gonna have to ride the brake-less Dimond (we all know that was originally patented as a Cervelo P4 "acceleration feature") for Ultraman Hawaii
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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I have seen the new Dimond.
It was alright. Ask me anything you want about it.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Well let's hope that all the rich triathletes who buy new bikes every year do not outweigh ones like me who like the bikes but cannot afford them. I have a feeling I will be trying to find rim brake wheels/frames for a long time before I switch over. Not that I have any experience with disc breaks but because I don't want, ok need, to buy all new crap with every new fad that comes out.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [TomTriesTri] [ In reply to ]
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TomTriesTri wrote:
I have seen the new Dimond.
It was alright. Ask me anything you want about it.


Why doesn't it have disc brakes? Come on bro, without disc brakes there is no way your bike will be faster than the new hotness that I'll be rollin'
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [gregtay] [ In reply to ]
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gregtay wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
You might buy one in a heartbeat, and in three years you will be stuck with a heap of carbon (and wheels) that nobody wants to buy. Perhaps you also would buy a bike with downtube shifters?


I sure hope we aren't all making our buying decision based on "what people might want to buy used in 3 years."


WTF? People sell their bikes? Say it ain't so!

I just keep my bikes. From time to time I will go out to my bike shed with a couple of beers and just stare at my bikes. I remember all the good times on them, examine various details, fantasize about developing my dream bike of various types, imagining how I'd build my own steel, ali or carbon bikes, where I could expand my bike shed to make a bike manufacturing facility to make one off bikes for myself. Or I'll make up some bits for one of them, knowing I won't actually ever ride that bike again but it will look nicer with the new part.

At my place, I'm am the last person to buy the bikes in my shed. I can't imagine why anyone would want to sell a bike, other than the guy at the bike store that sells them for a living.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jrielley] [ In reply to ]
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jrielley wrote:
Well let's hope that all the rich triathletes who buy new bikes every year do not outweigh ones like me who like the bikes but cannot afford them. I have a feeling I will be trying to find rim brake wheels/frames for a long time before I switch over. Not that I have any experience with disc breaks but because I don't want, ok need, to buy all new crap with every new fad that comes out.

Aren't you the guy who is already butt hurt that his bike isn't worth anything?

The irony.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Ha butt hurt is a harsh word but I know you love to get everyone nice and worked up! I was excited to check out the possibilities of getting a new bike. Then realized my bike wasn't worth shit to anyone which means I couldn't afford a new bike. So I am still riding my trusty DA! It works and I will be tweaking position this winter to get the most out of it.

But if I had to buy a new bike AND wheels AND powermeter that would just get way out of hand really fast.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
jrielley wrote:
Well let's hope that all the rich triathletes who buy new bikes every year do not outweigh ones like me who like the bikes but cannot afford them. I have a feeling I will be trying to find rim brake wheels/frames for a long time before I switch over. Not that I have any experience with disc breaks but because I don't want, ok need, to buy all new crap with every new fad that comes out.


Aren't you the guy who is already butt hurt that his bike isn't worth anything?

Nah dude, that's the guy selling his PR6 that bumps his thread every day and talks about what a sweet deal it is.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jrielley] [ In reply to ]
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jrielley wrote:
Then realized my bike wasn't worth shit to anyone which means I couldn't afford a new bike.

But this is kind of what I'm saying! I'm not legitimately suggesting on a teacher's budget it makes sense to go pick up the new Cervelo, or even that it's possible. But my guess is you'll be able to get a nice Andean used in 18 months, with HED wheels on it and a good group, for $3500 or so. Flip it 18 months after that for, call it, $1200 less than you paid for it. What you've done is spent $75 per month on a bike lease, essentially, and you have great shit. Rinse and repeat.

If you think through the depreciation chart for a bicycle, there's a way to optimize your consumption of same, even for a teacher's budget.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Ahh ok I see what you're saying. I thought you were basically saying "buy new now and sell your current bike because it won't be worth anything when disc comes out". So part of that is true but this would be ideal for me. I bought my first bike used, got a crash replacement from Felt and on my DA currently. Heck, maybe something will go wrong and I will get a new crash replacement IA for it! But if not I will wait for the first gen of the new bikes to make their way through the market then jump on a deal then.

I totally love the used bike market for parts and all that. Bought a basically brand new SRAM road set for like $300 last year because I waited for a good deal. But one also has to make sure you didn't keep things too long, like my DA. Before the IA10 it would be worth a bit more but now that you can get one of those at a good price no one wants the DA. I think we are saying the same thing I just am complaining more because I want what I can't have!


PubliusValerius wrote:
jrielley wrote:
Then realized my bike wasn't worth shit to anyone which means I couldn't afford a new bike.


But this is kind of what I'm saying! I'm not legitimately suggesting on a teacher's budget it makes sense to go pick up the new Cervelo, or even that it's possible. But my guess is you'll be able to get a nice Andean used in 18 months, with HED wheels on it and a good group, for $3500 or so. Flip it 18 months after that for, call it, $1200 less than you paid for it. What you've done is spent $75 per month on a bike lease, essentially, and you have great shit. Rinse and repeat.

If you think through the depreciation chart for a bicycle, there's a way to optimize your consumption of same, even for a teacher's budget.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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I generally agree with this sentiment BUT buying this early will likely mean investing in the highest end bike in each manufacturers line. Waiting till this trend trickles down to the midnor low level bikes like a P2 is where the stronger value will come in my opinion just like I have MUCH better value in my currently set up P2 than I did in my P5
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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The top of the beam appears to be higher so that it now sits in-line with the top of the Aduro. On the current frame the Aduro or almost any aerobar sits higher than the top of the beam.


Also, if you look behind the crank arm, the FD mount arm is no longer there and in it's place is more frame material to fair the rear wheel. My guess is the FD mount is bolted to the other side like a more traditional braze-on mount would be.


For reference, I took some photos of my bike. A.Hart is spot on with his description of the differences between the current frame and the one in the photo. He has an eagle eye!

Maybe we'll get to see more at Kona?





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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [xcrogers] [ In reply to ]
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It is definitely possible to design a bike to run two different brake styles. Any number of CX bikes have been built over the years with mounts for both discs and canti's so the frame can be built either way. For example: http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/...ls/Crosslight/CXRACE
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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robgray wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Beautiful. Unfortunately, though, Dimond's days seem to be numbered, given that they have no plans to develop a disc brake product. If they haven't even started that process yet, by the time they do, well...I suspect the free market will be cruel.


I have a road bike with disc brakes and I can't wait to go back to rim brakes. Especially for my tri bike, the only time I use the brakes in a race is at the T2 dismount. I won't be buying a tri bike with discs anytime soon

But Rob, what he's saying is you won't have a choice. The world will be a barren landscape, like the setting of Mad Max. To escape the marauding horde of mutants trying to kill you, you'll be going through piles of garbage to find a wheel for your bike to ride away on. But every wheel you scrape out from under the pile of radioactive metal will be disc, disc, disc. You'll eventually be forced to ride off into the desert backwards on a horse with a bucket on your head because you ride rim brakes. This is your future if you don't sell everything now in a panic.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Somewhere on this thread there was pressure on my to get a rim brake equipped Dimond and elsewhere on this thread I believe you were talking about needing to unload a size S Dimond. Since my birthday is in a month and I have spent exactly zero dollars on triathlon this year (vs the usual yearly quota of a young person's college expenses), maybe it's time!!!

But Pubes is saying I need to wait a few more quarters until the floor falls on the pricing of rim brake bikes and wheels.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Wait a few more quarters and we'll all be racing Xterra on E-MTBs with nitrogen filed tubless tires mounted to disc brake disc wheels and the magnetic suspension that GM developed and licensed to Ferrari.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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writhe wrote:
Maybe we'll get to see more at Kona?

I would be on the look out for Jesse Thomas's bike in kona.....

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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But Rob, what he's saying is you won't have a choice. The world will be a barren landscape, like the setting of Mad Max. To escape the marauding horde of mutants trying to kill you, you'll be going through piles of garbage to find a wheel for your bike to ride away on. But every wheel you scrape out from under the pile of radioactive metal will be disc, disc, disc. You'll eventually be forced to ride off into the desert backwards on a horse with a bucket on your head because you ride rim brakes. This is your future if you don't sell everything now in a panic.

I normally don't find you funny in the slightest -- but this is fine work and by far my favorite comment on the thread.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Whether you use them is not the point. Whether you need them is not the point. The fact is they are coming. And soon -- like in two weeks, soon -- the best equipment will have disc brakes. Wait a bit longer and all the decent equipment will..... enjoy your tubulars and your shitty old slow equipment. When you finally do decide to join the big leagues, you'll need well over $5k to do so.

Oh come on. The same number of guys were riding sub-4:30 in Kona 20 years ago on "ancient tech", as do now.

My race bike is a 1st Gen SC with 10 Speed Red on Zipp tubulars; I'll be sticking with that for a few more seasons, until I go 'all in' on the latest kit. This is all ultimately about the business of selling bikes year-on-year.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Question remains what the marauding horde of mutants will be riding. Must be disc brake equiped beam bikes. Should the rules be enforced however, you will be safe till T2 as they must keep legal distance.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Kreiger] [ In reply to ]
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Kreiger wrote:
Question remains what the marauding horde of draft packs will be riding. Must be disc brake equiped beam bikes. Should the rules be enforced however, you will be safe till T2 as they must keep legal distance.

Fixed it for you
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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That is a gorgeous bike. If I didn't use my tri bike for TTs I would be on a Dimond in a heartbeat.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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Do your TTs follow USAC? Are you racing at nationals?
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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kyle h wrote:
That is a gorgeous bike. If I didn't use my tri bike for TTs I would be on a Dimond in a heartbeat.

That would make you the first one to own Dimond in southwestern Pa. Hurry up or someone else will beat you to it.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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Luckily no, because my current bike isn't UCI legal either. The real reason I don't have one is this past year is the last year I'll do tri for a while. I've already got a fast TT bike and the Dimond offers me no real benefit over the SC. It is vastly more comfortable but my races will top out at 40k and even those are few and far between so comfort is less of a motivator to upgrade. I test rode a Dimond at AGNC and loved that bike but just really no logical reason to upgrade right now.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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Gotcha. As a new Dimond owner I was concerned about not being able to do TTs as well. But after reviewing the USAC rules, I don't think it's going to be an issue for my local TTs. Now I haven't tested this at a local TT yet, but I'll have the rules handy when I do.


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1I. Bicycles 1I1. Bicycles used in competition must be propelled solely by the rider's legs and shall have the following characteristics:
(a) Dimensions. Bicycles may be no more than 2 meters long and 75 cm wide, except that tandems may be up to 3 meters long
(b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that spoke covers may be used.
(c) Wheels may be made with spokes or solid construction. No wheel may contain special mechanisms to store and release energy
(d) The handlebar ends shall be solidly plugged and attachments thereto shall be fashioned in such a way as to minimize danger without impairing steering. In road, track, or cyclo-cross races, handlebars with ends, features, or attachments that extend forward or upward or that provide support for other than the rider's hands are permitted only in 31 time trial and pursuit events (not in Team Sprint); however, attachments that point upward on the brakehoods of road bicycles are allowed if the distance between them is greater than 25 cm (9.8 inches).
(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at events that select 17-18, U23 and Elite riders for international competition or national teams. All bicycles used in National Championships (for UCI recognized classes listed above) and NRC races must comply with the current UCI regulations. At the discretion of USA Cycling, UCI rules may be adopted or modified for other National Championships.
(f) Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USA Cycling races unless there is a separate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category.
(g) A massed-start bicycle is a road or track bicycle that is legal in all events within the road or track discipline, rather than a bicycle that is restricted to particular events. Handlebars for massed-start bicycles may not have forearm supports nor handlebar extensions or attachments that point forward.
(h) Time trial events may restrict the competitors to massstart bicycles in one or more classes, provided that the restriction is stated in the race announcement and technical guide. This includes time trials in stage races.
(i) A Single Speed is any type of bicycle possessing only one rear cog and only one front chainring and with no means of altering the gear ratio in any way during the race.
1I2. Riders are responsible for their selection of competition equipment and for taking reasonable precautions to ensure that its condition is adequate and safe for use in competition.
(a) To maintain compliance with these regulations, the equipment and uniform of one or more riders may be examined at any time to discover the use of items which are not allowed or which are obviously improperly adjusted, insecurely fastened, or which may present a danger to the 32 rider(s). The Chief Referee shall prohibit the use of any such items discovered during the examination. Such examinations are conducted at the discretion of the Chief Referee. An examination of every rider's equipment is not required.
(b) USA Cycling and any Race Director or sponsor, and their respective agents, officials, employees and volunteers, shall not be liable for any damages or injuries arising from or connected in any way with the condition or adequacy of any rider's competition equipment or uniform, regardless of whether or not such competition equipment or uniform was examined or was not determined to be in violation of the rules.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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I've used mine at local TT and no one cared. I think the race director was just glad that more people showed up to race.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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A.Hart wrote:
I've used mine at local TT and no one cared. I think the race director was just glad that more people showed up to race.

Are you planning to post pictures of that phanton Dimond to try to sell it to me before the floor falls on rim brake beam bike pricing?
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I can post some pics but its already sold. I said it would be a killer deal and it was. Had someone claim it yesterday.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Posted on Instagram last night

https://www.instagram.com/...aken-by=reed_strauss

Had to post the URL as posting the pic isn't working for me this morning.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Probably someone's name on the top tube.... Who's name is 7 or 8 letters long and ends in "SE"

Fork is also blurred out....

New pro or new bike? Both?
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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Gotcha. As a new Dimond owner I was concerned about not being able to do TTs as well. But after reviewing the USAC rules, I don't think it's going to be an issue for my local TTs. Now I haven't tested this at a local TT yet, but I'll have the rules handy when I do.


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1I. Bicycles 1I1. Bicycles used in competition must be propelled solely by the rider's legs and shall have the following characteristics:
(a) Dimensions. Bicycles may be no more than 2 meters long and 75 cm wide, except that tandems may be up to 3 meters long
(b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that spoke covers may be used.
(c) Wheels may be made with spokes or solid construction. No wheel may contain special mechanisms to store and release energy
(d) The handlebar ends shall be solidly plugged and attachments thereto shall be fashioned in such a way as to minimize danger without impairing steering. In road, track, or cyclo-cross races, handlebars with ends, features, or attachments that extend forward or upward or that provide support for other than the rider's hands are permitted only in 31 time trial and pursuit events (not in Team Sprint); however, attachments that point upward on the brakehoods of road bicycles are allowed if the distance between them is greater than 25 cm (9.8 inches).
(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at events that select 17-18, U23 and Elite riders for international competition or national teams. All bicycles used in National Championships (for UCI recognized classes listed above) and NRC races must comply with the current UCI regulations. At the discretion of USA Cycling, UCI rules may be adopted or modified for other National Championships.
(f) Bicycles commonly known as recumbent may not be raced in USA Cycling races unless there is a separate race for this category of bicycle, and then may be used only in that category.
(g) A massed-start bicycle is a road or track bicycle that is legal in all events within the road or track discipline, rather than a bicycle that is restricted to particular events. Handlebars for massed-start bicycles may not have forearm supports nor handlebar extensions or attachments that point forward.
(h) Time trial events may restrict the competitors to massstart bicycles in one or more classes, provided that the restriction is stated in the race announcement and technical guide. This includes time trials in stage races.
(i) A Single Speed is any type of bicycle possessing only one rear cog and only one front chainring and with no means of altering the gear ratio in any way during the race.
1I2. Riders are responsible for their selection of competition equipment and for taking reasonable precautions to ensure that its condition is adequate and safe for use in competition.
(a) To maintain compliance with these regulations, the equipment and uniform of one or more riders may be examined at any time to discover the use of items which are not allowed or which are obviously improperly adjusted, insecurely fastened, or which may present a danger to the 32 rider(s). The Chief Referee shall prohibit the use of any such items discovered during the examination. Such examinations are conducted at the discretion of the Chief Referee. An examination of every rider's equipment is not required.
(b) USA Cycling and any Race Director or sponsor, and their respective agents, officials, employees and volunteers, shall not be liable for any damages or injuries arising from or connected in any way with the condition or adequacy of any rider's competition equipment or uniform, regardless of whether or not such competition equipment or uniform was examined or was not determined to be in violation of the rules.

they may still require a double diamond frame but no beams. this may change and i'm not sure on that.
only U23 at nats were required to follow all UCI rules including 3:1 ratio. the others didn't and masters nationals weren't required to follow 3:1.



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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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Probably someone's name on the top tube.... Who's name is 7 or 8 letters long and ends in "SE"

Fork is also blurred out....

New pro or new bike? Both?

I bet it's Jesse Thomas's bike in Kona. And the blurred out part is top tube storage.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Jesse uses TriRig bars and a lot more stack than the bike pictured.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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He does ride PD bars, and would be one of the first on the new frame....
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like to add that the Dimond comes with Magura brakes which work quite well in my experience.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
bujayman wrote:
Probably someone's name on the top tube.... Who's name is 7 or 8 letters long and ends in "SE"

Fork is also blurred out....

New pro or new bike? Both?


I bet it's Jesse Thomas's bike in Kona. And the blurred out part is top tube storage.


It's hard to tell for sure, but doesn't look like the same color scheme as his new bike. This is the only photo I've seen of it so far.

(from Patrick Lange's Instagram)

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I saw that earlier. Slipped my mind. Ok so it's not his specific bike. But I stand by my top tube storage comment. Lets just wait until we see pictures of Jesse's kona bike.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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If that's true, I wonder if they'll make the new top tube as a stand alone offering like they did with the superfork so folks can upgrade.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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I'm wondering if this new model will take the place of the current, or be a supplement to the existing?

I have a hard time thinking they can raise the price of the new frame, but offering it at the same price or close to the current frame, and then discounting the current frame would probably be a good idea if they have the manufacturing capacity to back up 2 frames being made.

That may just be my wishful thinking though.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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It will be interesting. Jesse Thomas did post on instagram that he'll be riding the new bike in Kona.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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jet black wrote:
If that's true, I wonder if they'll make the new top tube as a stand alone offering like they did with the superfork so folks can upgrade.

Without commenting on any developments too in depth, the goal has always been to allow incremental upgrades to folks that want them if possible. Basically, trying to keep the interface points - beam-to-lower, fork-to-lower - the same whenever possible.

That hard part is that for certain parts, the cost of an "upgrade" is going to be awkward. Like, if there was a new beam, what do you then do with your old beam? You can't sell just the beam. So do you make it wall art? An old 3T Funda fork is not such a big deal to replace. But a new beam is not going to be cheap. Cheaper than a new bike, obviously, but with nothing to offset the cost. This will be especially true when there is a new lower, as that is by far the most expensive part to make. Obviously cheaper to buy a new lower only and not get a new fork and beam, but is that really practical?

Plus, of course, depending on your paint job, it's not going to necessarily be the "cleanest" replacement. It's very hard - even if Dimond did the prior paint job - to match things exactly if there's any complexity involved.

So the answer is, "yes," but I'm not really sure that you'll want that...

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bujayman] [ In reply to ]
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I spoke to someone at their shop today working up pricing for the bike i want. Wouldn't tell me much, but I don't think there will be a price drop on this frame, the new frame will be an "upgrade" but all the details will be available "at Kona"

Now we wait
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [A.Hart] [ In reply to ]
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Got a pic of Dimond's lead engineer racing with a new frame this past weekend. He did go on to win his AG and KQ in his first Ironman.

Looks like some small changes to the dimensions of the beam near the head tube and some material added near the RD mount to create a fairing for the rear wheel/tire.


Does that guy live in CO? I saw what looked like that same paint scheme about an hour ago on Colorado/County Line in Littleton.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Broken Leg Guy] [ In reply to ]
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Was he in a green jacket? Cause I think I saw him going through chatfield too haha.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Broken Leg Guy] [ In reply to ]
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I believe he lives in Iowa as he is the lead engineer for Dimond.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Was he in a green jacket? Cause I think I saw him going through chatfield too haha.

Yeah, green or yellow. I was distracted by the bike!

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
I believe he lives in Iowa as he is the lead engineer for Dimond.

Well, two of us saw what looked remarkably like that bike in CO. :)

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Broken Leg Guy] [ In reply to ]
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It was definitely that paint job I'm not sure about the bike he was going the other way from me.
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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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I'm waiting to run into Nick on an Omni next.

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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [Broken Leg Guy] [ In reply to ]
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
Was he in a green jacket? Cause I think I saw him going through chatfield too haha.


Yeah, green or yellow. I was distracted by the bike!

i think matt's in iowa. the guys are loading up things for kona.



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Re: New Dimond Spotted at IMCHOO [bmeer] [ In reply to ]
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bmeer wrote:
Broken Leg Guy wrote:
Grant.Reuter wrote:
Was he in a green jacket? Cause I think I saw him going through chatfield too haha.


Yeah, green or yellow. I was distracted by the bike!

i think matt's in iowa. the guys are loading up things for kona.

Well someone was riding a Diamond with a remarkably similar paint job in Littleton/Highlands Ranch Friday afternoon.

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