finally got my ant+ usb stick in the mail. its a garmin mini and works. although I have a power2max which paired properly on maximum trainer (for power). power2max also has cadence but won't pair with cadence sensor when I hit search it says it hasn't found a cadence sensor. idk if its because my pm is already connected (for power sensor) but cadence doesn't show during a workout. I also don't know if power2max is the only pm with in built cadence that doesn't seem to work for both power and cadence on maximum trainer. I don't normally use cadence in workouts anyways but just thought I would let you know.

nevermind I fixed it I had to change source of cadence from cadence sensor to power meter . great program, just as good as trainerroad yet it is free!
for some reason cadence isn't being displayed at the blue gear when doing my workout but I know it is connected because the workout started and is set to start when I pedal over 50rpm. Any reason as to why this might be. I'm really enjoying playing around with this software

I have enjoyed playing with Maximum Trainer for a bit. It seems very good and very comparable to trainerroad yet it is free. I managed to display cadence by going to settings and I changed the cadence under "display" from minimalist to detailed. Shows interval and workout average and interval and workout max, current cadence, and how far below or above target you are. The power works as well as heart rate. Everything works as it should just. The only thing I don't know how to do (or whether it is possible) is to calibrate my power meter. On my garmin 500 go and calibrate my power meter before every ride, I am not sure if it is possible to do on maximum trainer. Also, I still wish it would be possible to create an option to determine power targets as an exact wattage rather than percent of ftp when creating workouts. Perhaps another thing to consider is minimizing the workout screen in order to enlarge the media that would be playing otherwise the movie screen is very small on a laptop. Is it possible to change current power from let's 1sec average to 3sec average ect...

Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated! I have found the problem with the "minimalist" display, it will be fixed in the next release. In the meantime, the other display option should work fine.

Not yet possible to calibrate inside the software, will see what is possible to do.

Still on TODO list :)

Like this? https://www.dropbox.com/...seMovieSize.png?dl=0
You can move the splitter around to increase the size of the media

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Is there a way to save a workout that you cut short? All I got was a message saying something like: "exit the workout and discard you progress?".

Currently the workout history is saved only when it is 100% completed (it create a .tcx file inside your history folder)
In the future I want to change that, so that you can leave before and still save what you have done (and also integrate the .fit file format)
Adding to my list of things to do :)

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another thing to potentially add to the list is normalized power for the workout.

fruity wrote:

another thing to potentially add to the list is normalized power for the workout.

Hey fruity, I've been reading on NP, IF and TSS, i'm quite new to theses metrics.
I found a good explanation here on Slowtwitch :
http://www.slowtwitch.com/...ng_the_Data_302.html

Would it be interesting to also know the IF and TSS of your workouts before doing them?

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Note to self, check if theses formulas are good:
Normalized Power
1 -Calculate the average power every 30secs,
2 -Put the value of step1 ^4
3 -Average of all values calculated in step2
4 -Fourth root of step3 value
**What if the workout can't be divided in 30secs segments?


Intensity Factor
IF = NP/FTP

Training Stress Score
TSS = (IF^2) * DurationHrs x 100

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yes it would be interesting to know the if and tss before the workout.
no idea about the formulas though

IIRC for TSS, there is a 30-second rolling average smoothing applied to the data prior to the 4th order application, not simply average power across the interval.

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IIRC for TSS, there is a 30-second rolling average smoothing applied to the data prior to the 4th order application, not simply average power across the interval.

Hey, I'm guessing you mean for NP? I'm still trying to figure the exact formula, by the way, I have power data for every seconds of the workout.
Thanks for your help!

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Not sure if you saw my edit last time:
Is it possible to change current power that is displayed from let's 1sec average to 3sec average ect...

Hey Fruity,
As of right now, there is no average on the data shown, it is the real-time value coming from your ANT+ sensor (maximum 4 values per second)
I could make an option like "average power data display" that you can activate or not, and specify the length in second (1 to 5 secs) maybe?

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This has been fixed in 1.04, you will still get your activity file even if you leave before the end of the workout.
Just released it, you can play around with it :)

Next I'll be working to integrate the new metrics (NP, IF, TSS,..)
Have fun!

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Cool man! I'll be playing around with it soon.

An option to enable average power over 3-5 seconds would be great. I used the software last night and really enjoyed it and everything worked as expected. My only issue was controlling the real time watts number within narrow watt banding.

Thanks for the great product and I plan to continue to use it this winter.

Good! I'll check to implement this function next (averaging power on 1 to 5sec intervals). I don't currently train with a power meter, with calculated power, it's not too hard to stay inside the band but I guess it's harder with a power meter. You can try to increase the accepted power range on your intervals while I add this :)

Good to have you with us for the winter!


I've almost finished adding NP, IF, TSS, you can see current test version here : https://www.dropbox.com/...ricsExample.png?dl=0
One thing I'm not sure for calculating the NP, if some intervals have no power target, it can screw the number for the NP, so i'm thinking assuming a certain %FTP on theses intervals (60%FTP for example), because people are actually pedaling and not at 0%FTP.
Wow, I never noticed most of my workouts are under 150 TSS, which is supposed to be easy to recover from?! Guess my recovery time sucks compare to normal people ;)

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You typically don't have a target of 0% - that's technically stopped. Instead, your interval target for a recovery interval would be 40% or something like that.

Don't forget how TSS works - 100 in 1 hour is the max, so a 150 TSS workout is just dandy. Not 'easy' to recover from, just means you 'can' recover before the next day.

In the 'questions' folder - when I start up the software, there are no options at all, no menu, nothing. Am I doing something wrong?

Yeah that's what I thought, I calculate with 55%FTP if you don't have a power target on an interval, so if you want accurate NP,IF,TSS calculation, I recommend that you put a target even on your "rest" interval.
Yeah for TSS, I do mostly < 1h30 workouts so that is probably why it is lower than 150 most of the time.

What do you mean with the "questions" folder? When you start the app you should have the login page like this : https://www.dropbox.com/...g/loginPage.png?dl=0
That being said, if you downloaded the software last week there was a problem with the last release, I recommend you to uninstall/reinstall with the one on the website (1.04).
If you still have problem, just send me a screenshot of the problem at max@maximumtrainer.com and we can have a look.
I put a new version yesterday, thanks to Mr. Claude who found the problem in the last one, inside this one there is NP,IF,TSS, but ignore it at the moment, the value shown is just for test and not accurate.

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Translation issue ;) Just meant the equivalent of 'here's a question'

I'll check my version when I get home tonight, but I installed it Saturday morning, if that helps. I'll uninstall\reinstall regardless tonight. Thanks

Haha I was literally looking for a folder named "question" in the program, I feel dumb :P
Yeah i'm pretty sure you have the bad version, I updated it right just after Saturday morning.

The version online now does have the AP,NP,IF,TSS calculation right even if I didn't release an official new version.

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That's definitely nicer. Could you even take it a step further to allow for the video to be on a separate screen in a dual monitor setup?

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Toughman Triathlon Series Ambassador

when I make the graph/ media smaller, and enlarge the space for metrics (i.e. cadence, power ect..) is it possible to actually enlarge the words on the screen. i.e. if I made the whole screen just the power and cadence data, the words/numbers are still so small its hard to read. is there a way to make the words/numbers (especially the small ones like avg power for the interval) bigger?

Any plans for Kickr/CT support in the future?
Looks great otherwise!

It would be possible with the technology used. However as of right now I have other things on the priority list. I suggest using a good video player like VLC and put it on the second monitor, you will loose auto-start/resume functionality with the workout though. If it's really a turn-down to use this solution, I can see to do it later.


I can add a function to let people control the font manually on each widget, adding to TODO list (see my first post on top for the list)

Sure I would like the software to be compatible with most trainers in the future. However, the team is pretty small right now so it's not going to happen tomorrow (I need to learn how Kickr and CT works so I can integrate them)
Thanks!

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Just to clarify, it's definitely not a turn-down or anything. It would be a very cool nice-to-have, but I can understand that there would be much higher priorities! Thanks for the reply!

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Noblesville, IN
BikeFit Instructor | FMS | F.I.S.T. | IBFI
Toughman Triathlon Series Ambassador

Perfect, I added it to the "nice-to-have" list, will do when I get more time ;)
Thanks for the comments!

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Hey Fruity, I increased the size of the font for the avg power, etc.
Later I will add an option so people can select the font size they want.
Check out the new version was just updated, let me know what you think.
Good training!

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the new font is delightful

Hey guys, I'm currently working to implement this function and would like to understand better so I do the right thing.

Let say you enable "Average power" option on 3 seconds, do you want the program to show you one new power value every 3 second (the average of all the value received during theses 3 seconds)?
I could do that but you will loose a bit of the "instant" feedback in the software, is this okay? For example, the real-time graph would only give you a new point every 3 seconds (instead of 4 points per second with no averaging).
Also, if you start an hard interval, you will notice a little bit later that your power has risen up.
This would also mean that your history file (.tcx) would have less information (currently saving power data for every second of the workout).
Let me know if i'm missing something,

Thanks,
Max

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If possible, I would prefer it to calculate every second by doing a trailing 3 second average. Meaning each second it adds a second and removes the oldest second from the average.

If I understand correctly, if my average power is set to 3 seconds, let's say on seconds on the 10th second of my ride, the screen will display the average for seconds 8,9,10. On second 11 of the ride the average will be 9,10,11.
What I'm trying to say is we still get a new number every second with only one data point changing per second. This means the variability in power each second is smoothed by the other two data points used in the average and that each second of riding only impacts the average by 33% to smooth the variability.
I may be mistaken but I feel that is right because my garmin 500 spits out a new number every second even though it is set to 3sec average and is much less variable than maximum trainer's numbers.

Oh I get it now, thanks for getting my brain to work again ;)
Back to work, I'll let you know when 1.06 is out, -fixed target power interval and averaging power will be in it

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Yep, 3sec rolling average like you use to calculate NP. That's the best option. That's probably just enough to get a more stable number without having a disturbing lag when power changes quickly.
While I'm here now, I'd like to know why people want predicted values for AP, NP, IF. I get it for TSS because that is very helpful for longer term training planning. With TSS you can forecast CTL, ATL and TSB and that will show if your training plan provides enough stimuli without getting you completely worn-out.
An outcome from that would be that a TSS target should be added as a condition to stop an interval. (More work coming your way Max???)
When your training plan indicates an aerobic workout with a TSS of 150, make a workout with power targets in the aerobic zone, and interval time should then run as long as you didn't reach the TSS goal.
Makes sense?
Looking forward to read your responses/ideas.

I guess people wanted AP, NP, IF and TSS, not sure if they needed "predicted" and/or "real-time" values? Right now there is only predicted values. I could also calculate theses values in real-time when you are working out, so you can see if you are on target or not?

As for CTL, ATL and TSB, theses values would be best suited in your "profile" tab right?. I could calculate them, but not sure I want to go this way, the workout analysis softwares out there already calculate that right (SportTracks, Golden Cheetah)? I don't want to competition them but keep the software focused on workout guidance/motivation tool and not turn it into a planning/analysis software.

If your workout expects a TSS of 150, you only know at the end of the workout if you are under target? Or maybe I could calculate the expected TSS at every second of the workout, and check if you are under that or not with your current TSS? Not sure I would force the interval to keep going until you reach the expected TSS value, because I can see people "cheating" working hard on a short interval so that it becomes a long medium interval. I would prefer to only show if you are behind your expected TSS, and if so the user choose what to do (work harder a few seconds to get back up, or keep it under and live with it).

Let me know if real-time value of NP, IF, TSS in comparison to the target would be useful or not?

Thanks for the great ideas as always :)

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I guess people wanted AP, NP, IF and TSS, not sure if they needed "predicted" and/or "real-time" values? Right now there is only predicted values. I could also calculate theses values in real-time when you are working out, so you can see if you are on target or not?

That’s exactly the reason for my question which was by the way also addressed to the requesters and not only to you. Personally, I don’t see much use for it except for real-time TSS and then only during aerobic workouts. I use former workout results for predicting TSS. For pure aerobic workouts, real time TSS can be an asset. Ride in your aerobic zone until your TSS target is met. Most people who train on a regular base will have a pretty good idea of what TSS/hr they ride during an aerobic workout and can simply set a duration that will be fairly close.
On the other hand, I’m a cyclist on a Triathlon forum, so targets/methods and interests may be different. I’m always open for training advice!

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As for CTL, ATL and TSB, theses values would be best suited in your "profile" tab right?. I could calculate them, but not sure I want to go this way, the workout analysis softwares out there already calculate that right (SportTracks, Golden Cheetah)? I don't want to competition them but keep the software focused on workout guidance/motivation tool and not turn it into a planning/analysis software.

I fully agree. There are enough very good post-ride analysis tools available from free to expensive, basic to advanced, offline/online. You named two. Other well-known ones are Garmin Connect and TrainingPeaks WKO+. One of the reasons for my interest in MaximumTrainer is your “Story” published on the website (Yes, I’m the kind of guy who reads that :-) ). The aim should be to develop the best trainer software available! So don’t waste time and energy on re-inventing the wheel.

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If your workout expects a TSS of 150, you only know at the end of the workout if you are under target? Or maybe I could calculate the expected TSS at every second of the workout, and check if you are under that or not with your current TSS? Not sure I would force the interval to keep going until you reach the expected TSS value, because I can see people "cheating" working hard on a short interval so that it becomes a long medium interval. I would prefer to only show if you are behind your expected TSS, and if so the user choose what to do (work harder a few seconds to get back up, or keep it under and live with it).


Let me know if real-time value of NP, IF, TSS in comparison to the target would be useful or not?

No one can protect you from cheating yourself. It is similar to entering an incorrect FTP value… If you are serious about your training, you just don’t do that.
I can have real-time TSS on my Garmin and sometimes use it for an aerobic or LSD ride where I want a certain amount of TSS that is scheduled in my plan. Using a TSS target for interval training is meaningless. In an interval training you have to focus on Power Targets/Intensity. TSS will probably be very close for the same kind of workouts but I can’t see any benefit on real time monitoring it for those.
You should not compare the real-time value to anything. Power or Heart Rate target (I always use HR for aerobic training) within the aerobic zone and interval duration until TSS target is met. If you feel like doing a little slower, ride a bit longer and vice versa. It doesn’t really matter because aerobic workouts are aimed at raising your aerobic capacity. To raise your aerobic power, you will need to do more intensive interval training.

One of the things I never do on my trainer, is watching movies. If others are, I hope they come forward with their requests. That will help Max to fine tune that part equally. He’s very responsive and things are moving fast!

Hey Claude,

About the TSS target, I thought this metric is useful to know for the complete workout?
For example, if you want to do a workout of 150 TSS, you can create a custom workout with intervals that is equals to the desired TSS.
You can always edit a workout by right clicking in the list and selecting "edit", so that you can create workout equals to what TSS you want and then just follow the power intervals? I don't have much cycling background, so I may be missing something, I always train with intervals even for the long easy ride, I just put a long easy target interval.

Cool that you like the "story" ;) It started as a project "for me" because I wanted to train with this tool, I'm happy to see more people interested in it! With all the good ideas, it will become even better than what I expected.

You will get prompted for the new version when it's out (probably monday/tuesday)
See you!

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I guess this has to do with the interpretation of "Interval Training". Interval training doesn't just mean cutting up your workout in pieces. When people are talking about interval training, they usualy mean High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT). On those workouts, you aim Power targets that are beyond your FTP and Interval duration gets shorter as you aim higher targets. By nature these workouts are short, let's say less than an hour with warmup (thorough warmup required) and cooldown included. Ideal to do on a trainer, because they are short, well monitored and in similar circumstances.
I dare you to try a HIIT workout with 150TSS: you will probably fall of the bike completely exhausted before you get to those numbers. My HIIT workouts usualy turn out to have 80-100TSS.
The TSS metric is usefull for all workouts as a monitoring metric after the workout: it shows how hard you worked but you can have the same TSS coming from a short HIIT or a medium long aerobic workout. Both of these have a similar effect on long term fitness but they target a different "system" in your body (VO2, aerobic base). Bassicaly, if you always workout in the aerobic zone, you will fairly quickly come to a speed/power "plateau". Workouts in the higher zones will allow you to avoid the plateau.
I suggest you read the book "Training and Racing with a Power Meter" by Allen & Coggan. They are the developpers behind the ATL, CTL, TSB, TSS system.

The power moving average is now inside 1.06. I tested it and I really liked value around 2-3sec, let me know how it works for you!
Release notes here : https://maximumtrainer.com/news
Any other things you will like to get improved or new feature let me know, it may come a bit slower this time as I'm trying to get the Mac beta out soon.


Will definitely check that, not the first time I hear someone recommend this book! I guess I probably do too much HIIT, they are the most "fun" to me :)

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I have yet to try the moving average but it is much better to create workouts for me now that I put in a wattage rather than percentage. thanks.

I am really enjoying the recent changes you have made and I am excited to see the software continue to improve. Here are a couple of suggestions I have:

1. Ability to delete default workouts
2. Option to show HR as % of Max and Power as % of FTP in the detail view

I will try the new version this evening.
@bigsur28: if you don’t like the default workouts, name your own workouts with a 01, 02,…, 99 at the beginning. The workouts are by default sorted by name and the default ones will be at the lower end.
For the rest it seems like there are people who prefer % and others prefer absolute values. Max will have to take this into account for future development.
I made up all my workouts now with absolute values and found a shortcoming: there is at this time no possibility to cut an interval short. If you can’t make it you have two possibilities:
· Stop working and start recovering while listening to the sound alerts. That’s a bit demotivating…
· Stop the workout completely but then you don’t have a proper cooldown. I like to monitor my cooldown phase because it tells a lot about your recovery/freshness
I also do every now and then a ramp test: progressive interval from 80W to failure with a raise of 20W/min. This is a protocol that is used in many labs to find your VO2max and HRmax. In the workout I specified an interval of 16 min progressively increasing from 80-400W. I can only dream to ever reach 400w ;-). It would be nice to have a button on the screen that stops the actual interval and jumps to the next (cooldown).
Maybe Max can add it to the todo list, but I can understand that the Mac version is priority now. The more people we can get in this project, the better.

Sounds good those changes shouldn't take long, I'll put them in next! :)




Yeah I had this happen to me also, I did an hard workout one day and just couldn't follow it, I had to go in the option and deactivate the sound alerts. We can see what option would be better here, a button to jump to the next interval could be possible, but it may be a bit hard to program because a lot of things are connected to the current time (graph, saving history file, etc.). If you have other ideas, like an option that disable sound alert after X time under your target or something like this. Almost done with the MAC version.

Happy training!

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Any plans to open it up to bluetooth sensors in addition to the ant+ ones?

Hey fisherman, it is not planned in the near future. However, when the Win/Mac version feels polished enough, I will see if it can be done (if enough people request it).

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The ability to one click to the start of the next interval period would be a great feature. Jumping ahead is something that Golden Cheetah has. I've used it a few times when I had to cut some workouts short. I don't recall how it exactly works maybe 15 or 20 sec jumps per click. All I remember is having to click the >> button a lot to move ahead 5' to 15'.

Could there be the ability to create a workout(s) by importing a spreadsheet file (e.g. CSV)? I have a 14 week program in excel that I would love to be able to import in even if I had to make changes in the structure to line up the formatting.

I'll be getting on the trainer here soon to play with the program (took some time off after my last race).

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One other question. Can I share workouts I made with others? I haven't looked into the program all that much for the sharing ability.

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That would be a good idea to jump some time, another thing I'm thinking is to make the workout like a video player progress bar, where you can click and it moves you directly to that point in the workout (could go forward or go back at any point).

At the moment, you can only create workouts using the workout editor. I don't know the format of all the possible workout file so making an spreadsheet importer is not really a solution. What would be great is if someone create some plans like that inside the software and share it, I could put the plan (.zip file) online to download for everyone, if you get the permission of the author of course :)




Yeah you can share workout easily.
1 - Create the workout in the workout editor, save it
2 - Send the workout file to your friend
Here is a screenshot on how to access your Workouts folder, you can group your workouts into folders if you want to organize things.

If you need any help feel free!
Max

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Awesome what you did with the messages! They now have my full attention: displayed at the point of interest and not getting in the way of anything else.
Rolling average works like a charm to. I used 2sec and it has my full approval.
I had another problem with importing the TCX in Sporttracks but was able to solve it by editing the TCX. The cause of the error was a negative calorie value, which was the result of a glitch in the power track (huge neg value). TCX and lines with problems have been sent by mail.

Did I understand correctly that creating subfolders in the Workout folder allow the workouts to be sorted by the name of the subfolder in the Plan column?

Can you use "erg" files to create workouts? I am wanting to create workout files for Sufferfest videos, and don't need to go through the effort if there is a simpler solution.

Great Claude!
I'll check the tcx file. I probably need to check and not input negative power into it (can happen with weird power curve calculation..)
Will see and fix that!

The thing about subfolder is more for yourself, I just meant that you can have as many folder as you want, the program will try to find .workout files in every subfolder. I wanted to keep the field "plan" for the plans that will be provided with the software eventually, will see what is possible to do for user made plan in the future, as of right now the best thing to class your plans is with the field "creator".
Will keep you updated for future changes

Happy training!
Max

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Hey clydecat,
I've been getting this request quite a lot, I'll check out what are the most popular workout format (erg, ...? ) and try to create a import function so that you can import workout from just a click. Added to the list of things to do :)

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Max,
Thanks for your work!

I do have some Erg files I could send you if you need.

Thanks
Clyde

I just did my first workout on the new version released with rolling power average. During my 5th recovery interval I went to fill up some bottles and came back to see that the average power for both interval and workout were like -2,000,000 by the start of the next interval the interval average reset but the workout was still very negative. I don't know how to upload pictures from my computer to slowtwitch but I do have some.

Hey fruity thanks for sharing! I just found out the problem (Claude also had it). It's a problem when power value is at 0 that causes that, i'll make a patch and upload the fixed version tonight.

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thanks.
It's really cool how you fix things super quick when its free, just to help others out.
Really good training tool that I no longer train without : )

I had the same issue, was having power and cadence dropouts. On a different program(Golden Cheetah) so thought it was an issue with my sensors. As in a conflict with the Vector pedals providing power and cadence, and a GSC10 for speed and cadence.

Looking forward to the update.

Alright guys I put the new version online, should fix the negative power value with moving average activated, tested it with simulator, looks fine, will do a real workout tomorrow to make 100% sure.

As for power and cadence dropouts, it's often a sign of bad signal reception from the ANT+ stick, you should try to get your ANT+ stick as close as possible to your sensors to get better data. A goold old USB extension should do the job if you don't already have one :)
Sure send me a few of those .erg workout so I can see the structure they use: "max@maximumtrainer.com" Thanks!

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I'll send you the files in the morning when I power up my desktop.

I have my ANT stick on a usb extension cable and have tried it on the floor under the bike, as well as hanging in my water bottle cage. I might try it without the cable to eliminate that possibility too. I have also tried the stick that came with my vector pedals (the small stick) as well as the earlier larger stick.

Clyde

Looks like the "Remember me" option fell off the Todo list ;-)
@ Clide: From experience the best place for the ANT+ stick is where you normally have your head unit, around the stem. Since you have Vector pedals and I don't, I don't know if it is valid for them also. But it is the case for my Speed/Cadence sensor. On the floor seems to be the worst option. For speed/cadence sensors, check the distance between magnet and sensor. It should be 4-6mm. Too close is just as bad as to far!

Yeah I've been looking for a clean way to save both user and password, but saving password involve saving it on the computer and that can possibility lead to a risk (user/password) getting stolen if someone access your computer. I'm probably worrying too much.. but until I can find a safe way this is not acceptable IMO :)

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I think everything should be fine with the moving average now.

Did a quick workout with 3sec activated, stopped a few times and everything looks fine.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/628255349


Let me know if you guys still have issue with it! Thanks :)

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Hi Max.
Issue is still there. History file from yesterday workout with patched version sent by mail.
Another thing I noticed during yesterday's workout: When there is no HR target specified (only Power target), the scaling for the mini graph HR is top end limited to LTHR. When you go above LTHR, the HR value is displayed but the graph goes of screen. Scaling should go at least 15% above LTHR.

Hello Claude,
Okay new version "1.07b" is online, hopefully the negative average is gone now, weird that it happens only for 1 sec of the workout.. added a few checks before calculating the average.
I just adjusted the graph, 15% above LTHR ;)
Good training!

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Weather forecast is nice for tomorrow, so I'll be out on the road for a 3hr ride. Will test the new version on tuesday. Thanks!

Ahh lucky you.. already in the minus down here -_-
Have fun!

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I see that normalized power is only displayed as before the workout, is it possible to display np for intervals/workout real time while cycling. So if im doinglet's say 30min tempo intervals I can see my np of the interval vs. my interval average ect...

I have checked and adjusted my ant stick, still having drop outs. Next is to replace the batteries in my vector pedals. Fortunately MaximumTrainer is dealing with the dropouts in a good manner.

I've had a bit of a play with this and all is looking good.

I did notice that when i login on the web site it tells me that i have 1 month and xx days left of my subscription.

Does this mean that you will be charging for this in the future?

Will it be, in the future, multi ride ( like Perfpro/peripedal) or stay single rider ( like Trainer Road)?

Will you be able to import workouts from other programs? Or have some way to convert them to your format.

The longest you can make a segment of a workout is 59:59. I wanted to make a "free ride" 1:00 work out. This is to run it along side PerfPro to compare the 2.

Can you do a "manual ride" where you start it and it records until you stop it? seem you need to select a workout for each ride. hence the 59:59 segment of a work out above.



V1.06 had problems and was stopped from installing by my anti virus software, V1.07 seems to have fixed this.

As for Ant stick placement, the higher the better it seems I have mine on a 3m flat base extension stuck up on the wall in front of the trainers.

Works very well with all the programs mentioned above.

I'll check it out some more today

Looks good so far keep up the great work.

That could be a possibility, however I need to find the best way to calculate this in real-time. Since NP is calculated with a rolling 30sec average, the value would only update at every 30sec inside the interval, unless i'm missing something... not sure a value updated every 30sec would be useful. Added it to the list until I find a good way to do it.

A good way to check if it's the stick reception or your device that is in problem, if you have access to multiple device (hr strap, cadence sensor, ..), try them and see if the power is the only device having drop outs, if so you can isolate the problem and find if it's the device that's having problem. :)



Good that you like it so far, still much work to be done!
You can ignore the website subscription, it is just used for test at the moment, beta will go longer that this. As for the future charges ($), there will always be a free version of MT. Maybe there will be other "plans" with more features, but it's still far too early to say what will be in it or not.
For the moment, I would like to focus on single rider and give the most functions possible to the user.
I want to add an import function so that you can import popular workout file inside the program (still not done at the moment)
The max length of an interval is 59:59, so that's probably why you were having problem to do 1h, you can just put a 30:00 interval with 2 repeat.
The "free ride" is a nice idea, I could add this into the software, let the user select "free ride mode" and just pedal as long as you want. For now, you can just create a "dummy" workout with more time than you plan and no target, and it should do the trick.
I'm still working to deliver the MAC version, so sorry if the features are not coming too fast for now, will get back to my TODO list soon! (p1 of this thread)

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Excellent point on the devices having the drop out issue. I never have it with heart rate or speed, so I would say that definitely points me to the vector pedals. Basic troubleshooting that I absolutely overlooked!

Sometimes we try to make the answer to difficult :-)

I'm not sure about the normalized power, but my garmin does it, real time, and I can see it change throughout a ride. primarily used for longer/steady rides, and sometimes after about 20min doesn't vary much but throughout a ride can vary 2-3w (if i'm riding steady). i'm pretty sure your formula is correct because before one of my rides maximum trainer said the np would be 207w and I downloaded the ride to goldencheetah which calculated the np as 206w after I had done the ride. I guess to implement it in real time, you would need to do the same calculations you did before the ride, during/throughout the ride.

Good let me know if changing the batteries helped! Also curious, did you try the "power balance" target with your Vector? I never actually tested it except with a simulator. Intro 1-2 has some power balance target at the start for warm-up.


Yeah I think the same formula could be used, do you notice the number changing every seconds on your garmin or every 30sec? Thanks ;)

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although not recommended to use np for intervals shorter than 20minat the start of an interval np slowly creeps up to average power changing a couple watts every second

Hey guys,

Anyone know some MAC user willing to test the software?
Seems my triathlon partners are taking too much time to get back to me..

If so, you can download the test version on the website

To install, just click the .dmg and copy to /Application. To use it, you have to right click and select "open" since i'm not yet registered with Apple developers.


I was able to run the software inside a virtual OSX(10.9) but I couldn't test everything.
What I would like to test:
- Are you able to play a video in the video player?
- Are you able to pair your ANT+ gear?
Any other things that seems off, just let me know at "max@maximumtrainer.com"


Thanks the faster I get the Mac testing done the faster I can go back to add more features for both Windows/Mac!

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Yep I'll give it a crack today. Can run it alongside the pc version to see for any differences

Thanks 1steely1! Let me know if you find anything, the look should pretty much be the same as the pc version.

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looking at it now, expect an email soon.

I got to test MT earlier today for the first time and have a quick question: is it possible to view my workout graph? I know I can import the .tcx file to my Garmin Connect but I was curious to know if MT saves the completed workout.

Thank you for this incredible training tool!

Hi! Currently the only kind of history you get is the .tcx after the workout. MT only saves the workout file, nothing else :)
If you want to analyse your workouts, I suggest you have a look at some workout analysis tools (SportTracks, Golden Cheetah, WKO+)




Hey steely, I updated a new mac alpha version here :
maximumtrainer.com/MT.dmg
The problem with the ANT+ stick on start-up was related to "Garmin express" on my test mac, I had to shut it down in the manager.
Software seems to run better in fullscreen on this mac.
Let me know if anything else "max@maximumtrainer.com"
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Max,
Building up the program. Questions:

1. How is the "Plan" column populated so workouts related to the plan have that field and can be selectable on the Plan drop menu field? I feel like I'm missing something. I am making both Power and HR based versions of the same WO and it would be ideal for this field to be used to differentiate them.
   
2. I could not put any - or spaces in the workout name like your Intro examples show, are these allowed?

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Hey,
1 - The "Plan" field was more of a test thing at the moment. I will release a new version (1.08) probably tomorrow that let user edit the "plan" column of the workout:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jn36w7ryqwjgiou/PlanNewVersion.png?dl=0
2 - I changed the naming convention, It's now possible to use "_", "-" and space in the name (1.08).
Thanks!

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Max,
Is there an "about" section in MT that shows "current version"? Do you have plans to add a "check for update" button or enable an "auto-update" feature? As of this writing, do you send out a mass email to let us know of an update?

Thanks

m3bella,
Currently not sending any email, maybe later.
You can see the current version when you start the software (bottom right).
You will get automatically prompted to download the new version on startup when it's there :)

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Is the software capable of transmitting power via ant+ so I can record my workout on my Garmin?

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I have been using the software for a while, and yes it uses ant+. basically I have a ant+ usb stick into my computer that receives the ant+ signal from my power meter, heart rate monitor, cadence ect...
if u mean using the software and a garmin computer at the same time, I have yet to try that but am going to do a workout today, and will get back as to whether that works shortly.

Thanks for the reply. I'm looking to see if the software is capable of transmitting virtual power so I can record it on my Garmin.

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oh... no idea... I don't have a speed sensor on my bike. I know though that mt records all workouts that can later be uploaded to training peaks, garmin connect, or golden cheetah, for further analysis which is what I do. I'm not sure about real time though for it to be able to process from a speed sensor then display it on a computer while simultaneously sending it out via an ant+ usb to a garmin device, but it can be uploaded to programs after the fact.

Hey W,
At the moment the program doesn't transmit calculated power back to ANT+ power.
But it record everything and save the workout as a .tcx file (like a garmin does)
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Cool. Thanks for the response.

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Hey it's still me, check out the new version, you should be able to create a full plan easily now.
Let me know if there's any issue with the name ordering or anything else, "max@maximumtrainer.com"
Thanks and good training!

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Hey Claude, hope the training is going well.
I changed a few things in 1.09, tcx file should be clean of errors now, let me know if you find something else.
Also added the folder customization like you wanted, if saved on dropbox, google drive, etc., you can keep all your data mobile now.
See you!
Max

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Great!
Will try 1.09 this evening. Haven't done a lot of training last week because I had a Lab Test on saturday and wanted to be fully recovered. Made it to 300W and a VO2max of 52. That's an increase of 15W compared to last year. May not look to impressive to you and others on this forum but I measure 167cm, weigh around 65kg and am 50 years young! I'm not competing but ride about 250hrs a year, often with guys who are several decades younger.
Haven't seen problems with the tcx on the last 2 rides.

Sounds good, I wish I had the weather and cycling partners like at your place!
I'm no expert, but your result are darn impressive, even beat a young fella like me ;P
I'm Working to support calibration message for all power meter so I can get ANT+ certification now, Mac user will have to wait a little bit more..
Have fun training!
Max

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Hey clydecat,
I just wanted to let you know, if you still having dropout with the vectors, it may not be the pedals.
As of right now, the program is just listening to "Power-only" message coming from the power meter. The software doesn't understand other type of power message, i'm implementing it right now as well of calibration and will let you know when it's done. It should result in more data coming in from power meters and hopefully less dropouts.
Thanks,
Max

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Max,
I am still having dropouts. I am saving my workouts on my my Garmin 510, then using that file for looking at after the ride. I see similar dropouts after importing the file to Golden Cheetah, but on a ride that is outside, I don't have the dropouts. So I need to move my bike and the computer to the garage, or somewhere to try an eliminate any interference that might be causing an issue.

Also, I did watch the pedal balance display, and it matched up with my garmin display. Was interesting to watch :-)

Will be looking forward to future updates!

i'm using the new version and I see at the top where it says calibrate beta ect... is that supposed to be a button or something cuz nothing happens when I press it or anything

Hey Fruity, you can ignore the button for now, it is for my internal testing, power meter calibration is not supported right now, working on it!
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Hey Max
I just updated to 1.09 and rode for just a few minutes.
Couple of items:

• did you purposely delete the workouts other than FTP Test?
• the pedal balance is not working on correctly for me. I moved from 1.07 to1.09, and it did work correctly on 1.07.

I played with creating my own workout, and is pretty simple, would be nice if when enabling the pedal balance that it defaulted to 50/50.

Thanks again for your work and product!

Hey Clyde,

1- Yes I removed the 3 included workouts, most of the users didn't seem to use them, I will add complete a training plan soon created by someone with the skills to do that (not me!)
2- I probably broke some things doing the power meter calibration, will be fixed in 1.10! Default 50/50 value for balance power, good idea!
Stay put for 1.10, Will at least include power meter calibration, warning for low battery, and maybe training plans.
Thanks for using MT and helping me improve it!

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Congrats, MaximumTrainer is in DC Rainmaker's Trainer App Review: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...r-trainer-depth.html

Thanks Claude for your support since the start of MT!
1.10 is now live, it has quite a lot of changes !
Good to see dcrainmaker review of the app! I always liked his site as it's not affiliated with any company and the reviews are top-notch.

Hey Clyde, let me know if your power meter balance is working now. I tested it with a simulator (to poor for Vectors..) and it works fine here ;)

Hey Fruity, I added calibration support in 1.10. It's still in beta so let me know if you have any problem. The default calibration timeout is 30sec.
Thank you all for testing!

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He Max, you're welcome. I'm enjoying MaximumTrainer a lot and that's a boost for my performance!
You will need to review the scaling on the mini graph for Power. I did an aerobic workout with only a HR target, and during that workout the max value for the scaling in the power mini graph was 190W. Don't know where that comes from but it's too low. I noticed that the scaling changes with the target value. Maybe it would be better to change the scaling with the real-time value?
The problem with the glitches seem to be gone completely. Question on the Rolling Average: are you applying the average only on the displayed value and storing Power values every sec in the tcx? Or are you storing the averaged values in the TCX?

Hi Claude,

Mini-graph
Good idea on scaling the mini-graph with real-time values. Now it always follows your power target, if you don't have one, it stays at a "generic" low range (40% to 80% of your FTP). The problem I can see with real-time scaling is that the graph will move a lot and may be unreadable (or i'll need an algorithm to not ajust the graph every value received, but instead when it's out of the graph) , i'll test it a bit the later option and see how it works. Could be a good option when there is not power target for an interval.

Rolling(moving) Average :
Good question! The rolling average is applied to both the display value and the stored value. Stored value keep a power value (as well as other sensor data values, hr, etc.) for every second of the workout, it can result in some big .tcx files depending on your workout length. but I figured more data is always better and storage is cheap nowadays.

Let me know if you have any other good idea like this! This week I will release the Mac version (for real this time!) so new features may come a bit slower for now. I need to consolidate the program code so it can evolve better on the long term rather than packing new features and let it become a code mess :)

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I got the new version. Tried to use the calibrate function before I started my ride and it takes a long while and eventually times out. I will try again part way through to see if it works then, could be something other than mt though and power2max claims I don't need to recalibrate so no big deal. I think the next thing riders may want, is just "free ride" where there is no target, just a chart being created throughout the ride or something like that.

Fruity, I was going to mention the free ride as well. What I did to accomplish the same was to just make a workout with a warmup interval and then one long interval for the rest of the ride, with a very broad power target. Accomplished what I wanted for just getting on and riding.

I had the same result with the calibrate button, but then I wonder if it is for a specific type of power meter, so didn't worry about it. I did compare power on the screen to power displayed on my garmin, and they were the same.

Free ride function is not too hard to do, i'll do it when I get some "free" time ;)

About the calibration, I only tested it with a simulator that auto-reply with calibration success message.

How does it work with a "real" power meter, do you have to do some kind of "procedure" so that the power meter emit a calibration success message? Right now, the delay for the timeout message is 30sec after you press the button (you have 30sec to do the calibration procedure), but you can ignore the timeout message and do your calibration procedure if it takes more time, the software is made to receive all calibration message even after the timeout. If you get a good calibration, you should see this message in the bottom right corner saying "Calibration success". Let me know if the timing is too short or anything, never calibrated a real PM!

Thanks guys!

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I am still thinking about a possibly good solution for the mini graph scaling. Maybe adjust the scaling only when the realtime value gets to 10% from one of the limits? I'll have a look at the code and do some more thinking. ;-)
About the Moving Average: I asked the question because I'm doing all analyses afterwards from the data available in the TCX. If power values are already smoothed in the TCX, this will have an influence on NP, IF, TSS. With a 2 sec average, this is probably not noticeable. But with 5sec average, TSS may be estimated too low. A datapoint every second is what most analysis programs use, so you should not try to reduce file size by removing data points.
We are getting more and more in to details. Guess that means that the program is "growing up" :-)

I am having tons of trouble douwnloading the new version, never happened before, soo many error messages and computer risk messages. I don't know whats happening, and I cant use the previous version I have downloaded, guess Im using my garming tonight

Hey fruity, you have problem with the latest version?
send me the screenshot of the message you got if you can "max@maximumtrainer.com"
Also a small error slipped in 1.12 with the FTP test calculation, if you did it recently, i'll put a new version in a few minutes

Edit: web server is really slow tonight, not sure why, taking long time to download the version on the download page
will check with the hosting company what's up.. thanks for your patience

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ok im trying to redo the download

will put the new version in like 15 minutes, if you can wait, but 1.12 works fine here, send me the error you got
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sent an e-mail with different screenshots, it could be something on my end, I will try again later to make sure everything is closed and I did it properly, normally I jut hit whatever it tells me to and it downloads

I uninstalled maximumtrainer from my computer, downloaded the new version fine now

I had some trouble downloading too yesterday (incomplete file), but got the file after a couple retries. Used 1.12 yesterday evening for an FTP test and it works OK.

I'm contacting the hosting company (goDaddy) who had some problems recently hosting the website. Hopefully they can improve the speed somehow! Make sure you double check, if you did your FTP test prior to 1.13, I had a bug that would give you a lower FTP/LTHR than it should based on a wrong calculation. If you still got the .tcx file of the test, check the average power/heart rate of the 20min interval * 95% (last but one interval in the file). That should be your FTP.

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can not download the new version. tried uninstalling the old one. when installing 1,13 it is still trying to close maximumtrainer application even though its not on my computer. I will try a restart and download.

Fruity, I was able to download 1.13 this morning. Had no issues, and speed wasn't a problem either. It installed (I think on top of ver 1.11?) without any issues either. I know it doesn't help fix your difficulties, but just a data point of successful install.

in the downloading processs one of the steps is download to folder "maximum trainer" I changed the name to "maximum trainer 2.0" so it wouldn't have to overwrite files and it was a successful download : )

Just FYI: downloaded 1.13 in less than 30sec and installed flawlessly over 1.12.
Max: this is an example of what I meant with the possible offline usage of the program. If you have an issue with the internet connection, or a download failure, you just can't do your planned training... Frustrating! Maybe you should provide a possibility to skip the update temporary. That would be one less possible No-Go situation.

Good everything seems in order now. They promised me a 99.99% server up-time so should be good for now!
I wanted to do some kind of non-forced update system, but it's hard to check. Some updates are mandatory, other aren't, let say 1.12 is mandatory and 1.13 is optional. Someone who has not logged for a long time that is on 1.10 and see 1.13 is optional, refuse the update, that would be problematic because 1.12 was mandatory and that could lead to bug/crashes inside MT. The thing is i'd be complicated to verify all possibles cases, so I make all update mandatory now :)

Update for the mac version release : Will have to postpone once more, I don't have a mac in my hands for this week. Next week should be good.

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Hey bigsur28, better late than never, but you should be able to achieve these 2 things in the new version (1.14)
Full change list in 1.14 here


Yo Fruity, Calibrate has been reworked a little and "Open Workout" mode (aka Free Ride) is now inside MT!


Salut Claude, I tried something in the new version with auto adjustment with the mini-graph (only when there is no target for an interval). If your value is out of the graph, the left scaling is adjusted right away. Let me know what you think, thanks!

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I had to uninstall maximum trainer and then restart my computer to have a successful download, seems its only my computer but that's ok. the ability to not see the included workouts, works, same with the % of ftp /lthr (but just for the target not real time). The calibration button changes also are working great. today I will try the free ride mode and the power graph scaling (normally I use the detailed power option).

I like what you did with the automatic scaling. It works very well for HR in steady state and in interval mode. Haven't tried it with power yet. Will do that probably this week.

Thanks Claude!
Just to update you guys, version 1.17 is live and a OS X version is now available.
Next up is support for Kickr/CompuTrainer

Have fun!
Max

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May I suggest to modify that to (1 of X)?

A possible issue?: Yesterday I had a pretty hard workout and had to quit after 6 of the 8 scheduled intervals. Disabled the sound alerts and performed a cooldown to drain most of the build-up lactate. After I brought up the settings window to disable the sound alerts, the workout window was darker, as if it was not the active window anymore and clicking in it or on the title bar didn't change anything. Then stopped pedaling and since the Workout start is setup at a cadence of 20, the timer stopped. I tried to close the workout window but it looked like MT was "frozen". I was afraid of losing the data and tried toggling the windows with ALT-TAB, but couldn't get out of it. I don't know exactly how, but finally the pop-up window that asks if you want to save the progress, came up and I was able to save the workout. It seems that the pop-up window, in certain conditions, pops under and can't be brought to the front. My setup was a portable PC with external screen and the screens are simply cloned.
Anyone else seen this behavior?

Good idea, will be in next version!
Let me know if you get the popup hidden again, will try to reproduce on my side

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Hey Max,
A couple of thoughts from my session yesterday.
Have you considered allowing the user to re-position, or resize the different portions of the display? For instance making the heart rate smaller and increasing the view of say the power "widget" Also, while trying to keep my power in the target range, I tend to pay attention to my cadence, but the power balance display is between power and cadence, so I had to look at two different areas of the screen to watch both. If the cadence was next to the power display, I could see on of them from more of a peripheral view.

On the workout editor, is there a way to resize the columns that I am missing? A lot of screen is taken up with columns that might be empty or only have a 2 digit entry. Resizing would potentially eliminate scrolling just to see what is in a column to the far right.

I know these are not huge issues, but just might make for a nicer interface???

Lastly, I have some other input on my odd cadence issue. It always happens, but I have determined that it will stay at the cadence that I was last pedaling. So if I'm pedaling at 50 RPM and stop, then the displayed cadence will alternate between 50 and 0. If I pedal at 50 RPM, then slow to say 10 RPM, then stop, the displayed cadence will alternate between 10 and 0 RPM. this is with Vector pedals, and the cadence is provided by them, not a GSC10 or such.

Enjoying using MT, thank you!

Hey Clyde,

Allowing the user to re-position and adjusts the sizing on the bottom widgets is definitely doable, will put it in the next release. Thanks for mentioning, even though not big issues, I want the best interface possible :)
For the cadence issue with your Vector, it's the decoding of the cadence data with a power meter that needs to be fixed, the details you told me helped a lot. So it's always when you stop pedaling, 0 should be displayed and not the last value you had, will fix this.

Update:
Check out this :
https://www.dropbox.com/...ttomWidgets.png?dl=0
Would this be better? I put the balance Widget on the left of the Power Widget.
For the extra space, if you hide a widget, the graph should extend and take the extra space. Will modify a bit the widgets to improve space management (minimalist takes too much space atm)

Thanks for the great feedback as usual, helping improve MT!
Max

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Yes, cadence is when I stop pedaling. To wake up the Vectors, you have to pedal a couple of times, then it wil pair with MT. If I spin them real quick by hand (can even be reverse of normal direction) and then open a workout, then MT will alternate between 0 and whatever RPM I spun them at. I have figured out to just spin them a couple of time real quick and then a rotation or two at a very slow rpm. This way doesn't start the workout to soon :-)

In you example, I definitely like the power bar, and the cadence together as you have them shown! I have found on an interval of any time (like more than 30 sec) that I can get power in the target range, then just keep cadence steady, and if I drop out of power range, I can see the color change in my peripheral. Just works for me.

Have a great weekend!

Great, oh and forgot about the workout editor, will try and save some space on the columns (maybe put them re-sizable too). Target Cadence and Heart Rate is a little wide for no reason you are right. See you next week for more stuff to test :) Good weekend!

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it would be nice if when you log in you could save password or have remember me option so you do not have to type in password every time, an auto log in would be even better.

another thing that I have not seen discussed is the option to edit the canned workouts. You could write protect the original so that the new edited version needs a new name but this is a great way for people to build new workouts. One problem is not being able to log onto the software when you do not have an internet connection. If one has an operational version loaded then you should be able to run standalone? If not what happens if I want to do a workout and for some reason my internet connection is down.... then MT is not usable and I have to revert to another option. I do note though that once you have logged in you can run the software without a connection, ie in case you loose the connection you can still keep running once you have logged in. I realize you have talked about checking for updates, but if my version is running OK then I am happy, if I need to log in every time that is a bit of a pain. One option might be to have to do a full update set if you have not logged in for a while, that would help, as well people might be more inclined to log in at regular intervals to stay up to date or you could limit the number of off line log ins to 2 or 3 ? look forward to seeing where this keeps going.

I second the running without an internet connection thing. there have actually been times when I couldn't use mt (i.e. travelling, going to my cottage, storm, ect...). perhaps if you had to log on with an internet connection once a week or something like that to check for updates. being able to use mt 2 or 3 times before needing an internet connection would actually be a fantastic change and be a huge plus for the software.

another thing is to allow people to share workouts on your site. Once I generate a workout through the editor I should be able to publish it to a central database fo other to use and share/ edit and improve. The next level is for users to generate plans so that others can download a plan and use it such as a base section, a build with different goals such as improve FTP, or improve endurance.

In the editor it would be nice if when you clicked to edit a duration time the whole set of numbers was highlighted so you could either just type in a new time or paste one in without any further click and drag to eliminate the previous time.

Auto-login
Yes I received this request a few time, will see what is possible to do. Maybe an option "auto-login" that you can activate. A way of "log-out" inside the software would then be needed if someone wants to switch users/etc. (Adding to nice-to-have list)

Internet
About the no internet connection thing. I will see if an option like "offline mode" at start-up could be made. Problem is like you said with updating and there are parts of MT that requires an internet connection. For example your sensors and profile data is saved with your username, so if you log on another computer, you don't have to repair your sensors or input your zones, etc. Maybe a stripped down version of MT could be possible in Offline mode, but as of right now, not the full software as many part require an internet connection.

Share workouts/workout plan
Right now you can share your workouts manually. For example a coach could create a whole training-plan, zip all the files and put it on his blog, or send the plan to his athletes by email. I want to let the user free to do what they want with their workout/plans. However, I also want great training-plans to be inside MT without having to look all over the internet, so I 'plan' to have multiple training-plan already included with the software. On the long term, I think a forum where people can exchange workouts and some sort of central database could be something possible.


Will check that, on my test version, you can click the "duration" column once, and begin typing right away, start typing hours, minute and second so you don't have to use the mouse.

Will release a new version tomorrow then MT team will be away a few days for snowshoes expedition :)
Have a great Christmas!

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Autoscaling for cadence mini graph seems to be broken in version 1.17. Pretty sure it worked ok in 1.16.
Have a nice Christmas holiday!

Thanks for the info Claude, a small typo occurred, fixed! Nice holiday to you too :)

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Hey Max look forward to the next build, Have a Merry Christmas, and snowshoe break.

Hey I had the time to squeeze a little update tonight.
Let me know how it works with your CT, can't set load yet, but you should be able to see your power data, etc.
Send me the debug log if you have any problems

Thanks a lot and happy 2015 all
Max

Edit: I'll be off for a few days, send message to support@maximumtrainer.com if you have anything to report :)

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just a suggestion to set the stop time at 40 rpm to have a delay, ie 5 seconds at less than set RPM. sent you a note regarding computrainer. thx

Hey I will add this to my list
Would this wording be okay? Start workout when X is over Y for at least Z seconds (Z will be a choice from instant to 1-5 secs)?
Thanks,
Max

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yes that should work, thanks

Hey Max, this is one to sync with for a short HIIT program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI_nSzypjO4&list=PLUdAMlZtaV13e3-rJq1W0O1kf2DVlslmC&index=1
then when the computrainer is set up we can redo as a power or slope version.

another suggestion, when you are in edit mode and you high light a segment in the input grid say segment 5, then it should highlight that segment on the graphic and vice versa, hen you click on a segment in the graphic the same segment in the editor should highlight. This would make editing much easier from a visual point of view.

also I tried to run a youtube video today in the video viewer and Maximum trainer crashed, but I could run a local vid so it might be something with the link will try again later, or maybe a setup issue in MT? Another thought is having a key in the video window to play pause instead of right clicking which is too hard on the trainer, or have the video play sync with the cadence start and stop would be absolutely unbelievable. Do you think that is do-able or is it there and I have not found it?

one additional wish, to have accumulated TSS on the workout dash board. Normalized power would be nice but for a trainer session it should be pretty close to average power. The power graphic takes up a lot of real estate in the dashboard which to me could be used for power numbers. I can basically see the graphic in the full graphic window, because it is still there when watching video, I would prefer to see the numbers in the dashboard.

Great suggestions!
For the Youtube videos, make sure you have the latest flash for firefox installed (check the FAQ for the download link). Let me know if you have it, and if it crash again with the latest version, if you notice something that could have triggered this. The webPlayer is still experimental right now. I think syncing the video with a flash video (youtube) could be possible, I could just send a signal to the flash player to stop/resume the video when the cadence drop under a value like I'm doing with the local video, not sure the flash video supports this, will investigate!

Added to list
- Workout Editor : Highlight graph and list interval when selecting an interval on the graph or in the list.
- Accumulated TSS in real-time (still need to find the formula to calculate this in real time)
- Play/Stop a flash video (youtube,..) without clicking, like the local video player.

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tss at any time is the calculation, TSS=100*((normalized power)^2 *seconds)/ (ftp^2*3600)
since you can calculate the normalized power for any time point then this can be calculated for any point in time. This is a rework of a calculation in Allen and Coggan's Training with a power meter book. hope that helps.

Max, I think there is a problem in the latest version. My last two workouts, all connection to ANT sensors got lost. One workout after 29 min and the other after 25 min. I was using my Garmin in parallel and there was no problem with the sensors. When I switched from the workout window to the main window, the sensor was stated as "Busy". The status "Busy" remained after closing the workout window. Restarting MT returned it to "Ready". The TimeLine continued, so it did not detect the cadence as 0, but displayed it at the latest recorded value. HR and calculated power also remained at the latest recorded value. The graph stopped displaying. I mailed you both files. If you need anything else to investigate, let me know.

May be a similar issue here. The other night I double-clicked a WO to start it, but forgot to do my spindown check to verify the trainer setup before doing so. I went into the options and selected manual Button start, did my spindown check, then went back into the options and re-selected Cadence start. Then when I started pedaling to begin the WO the program did not see the cadence sensor and just sat there waiting. I closed the WO and Program, restarted everything and it was then ok.

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Thanks for the info guys. Let me know if you have any ANT drop-down or pairing issue with 1.21.
dmacandcheese, Would you find useful a calibration interface that you can activate before the workout with a key press (e.g: F1)?
Current calibration interface is really minimal so I would like to improve it.

Thanks and good training.
Max

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Tested 1.21 last saturday and yesterday: works fine. No disconnections.

I installed 1.24 and on both my computers, the first two launches, MT crashed. Third launch works fine. Just wanted to let you know.

After installing version 1.24 the software is crashing right after the login screen. I have been using the software regularly since October and this is the first time I have had this issue.

Hi Bigsur. Looks like you are experiencing the same as I. Did you try to startup three times in a row? That did it for me. First and second launch of MT caused the software to crash right after the login screen. Looks like there is a problem fetching your profile data from the server. On the third launch, everything went fine. I had exactly the same on 2 different computers.
Good luck

same problem

Hey guys,
Sorry about 1.24, there was a possible bug with the CompuTrainer code.
If you still have issues, try uninstalling MT before installing a new version. Also make sure the app is closed before you try installing a new version over it.
Let me know if you have any issues in 1.25 "support@maximumtrainer.com"
Thanks

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Another thing I forgot to mention.
You can delete the cookie located there on windows :
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\MaximumTrainer\cookies.ini
Thanks

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in case you guys are still looking for a great workout editor that now supports computrainer (erg mode for workouts and slope mode for FTP testing) and kicker take a look here. Nice interface with video that actually syncs with our start stop mode that can be cadence activated, so start pedalling and video plays, stop pedalling and video stops. Lots more in there. Take a look; https://maximumtrainer.com/download-mt

I am looking at options for a winter of pain...i signed up for MT and it looks great! that being said, are there templates for some of the more popular workouts, such as Sufferfest? i saw a few from BT, and it looks like MT allows you to create templates, but until i have the time to sit down and do so, i'd like to just load one and get at it.

once again, nice work!

PM'd ya...

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Hey d00d, we have a plan from beginnertriathlete.com and a few other workouts.
At the moment, we only have 1 workout from Sufferfest (ISLAGIATT) integrated with the app. Last time I checked, I think you could find the "erg" version of theses workout on the net. You could then import them in MaximumTrainer with the "Workout, Import" function. I know some users already made them in MaximumTrainer format too. I'll let you know if I can find some.
I will also try to get more coaches making plan, it's possible to share them on our forums with all MaximumTrainer users.

@dmacandcheese, I didn't receive your PM, you can email me at max@maximumtrainer.com
Thanks!

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Any chance transmitting calculated power back through ANT+ can be added to the road map?

Thanks.

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Sure thing! just to clarify, you would like the calculated power to be emitted back like a ANT+ Power Meter?
I could put an option for that, and let you input the custom ANT+ id.
Thanks!

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That would be awesome. Yup, just like an Ant+ power meter so my Garmin would also read that power. I have a second USB Ant+ dongle to transmit if that helps. Thanks for considering this enhancement.

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Hey W,
Just an update, it seems it's not possible to do this with the ANT+ mode we use (Continuous scanning mode)
Here is the reference
https://www.thisisant.com/...iewthread/6335/#6787
You can still use the program to save the workout power to a FIT file like a garmin watch does.
Have a great day

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Thank for the quick reply. That's too bad that it's not possible. I do wonder if the response you received was in the context of using only 1 Ant+ device as opposed to how TR does it via Trainer Relay with 1 Ant+ device to receive (and send instructions/requests) and a 2nd Ant+ device solely to broadcast power. It looks like I might have to try on a Dev hat.

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Yes from what I understand, his response was for using one Stick in CSM mode, it's not possible for this stick to transmit broadcast data because it is used all the time to receive data.
We could have a dedicated Stick used for sending broadcast message, but right now all the Sticks are put in CSM mode when MaximumTrainer starts.
So far you were the only person requesting this feature so I wanted to check if it could be done easily, but it seems to require more effort.. so if we get more requests for this, we may try to find an elegant solution later!

Have a great day,
Max

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Dear Max,
one question, ir your software "Maximum Trainer" free or not? I mean... it is not possible to use the application longer than 15minutes without pay. Isn't?

Thank you very much
Best regards
Ivan