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Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post...
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This is blowing up in So Cal. This (very annoying) woman posts something called Cup Holder Commentary. Trying to be a youtube star I guess..... Anyway, this particular one talks about running over cyclists. "How much to run over a cyclist?" "How much is in your wallet?" The last scene is particularly unnerving. She does not identify her affiliation, but she is in fact a Santa Paula reserve police officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9H4xfya-OE

She's been placed on administrative leave. This needs to be permanent. Anyone that wants to comment to the police chief can do so on the Santa Paula Police Dept FB page, or smclean@spcity.org They've taken pretty swift action putting her on leave, but this needs to be permanent.

She has apologized saying it was a "mistake" but do we really want a peace officer on the road with this attitude? I have ridden these roads, I bet Rapp and many others here have as well.

And frankly, she deserves to be fired because she's so fucking annoying.

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8/5 Some good may come out of this after all. Seth Davidson, a local cycling ummm cycling "advocate" some of you may know, and the LA County Bike Coalition met with Santa Paula's police chief to discuss ways to improve driver/rider relationships, and ncrease education and safety.

Then, turns out the woman that made the vid reached out to a cycling blog (http://bikinginla.com/) to talk to the blogger to get a better understanding as to the outcry her video produced. The result is below. Truly contrite or Damage control? maybe a little of both, but certainly a step in the right direction (although sadly some of the comments to this new vid reflect the same old "bikes don't belong on roads" crap, but little by little...) Also certainly a much better outcome than we usually see, which is people slinking off into the shadows. At least she had the guts to post it.

https://www.youtube.com/...Co6xakLj32SuV0cNkfDQ
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Re: Santa Paula reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Thankfully, being annoying isn't a crime. Yet…

She should be fired because she's unfit to serve as a police officer - even if it's just a reserve position.
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Saw this on the news tonight. Sadly, more reinforcement for me to stay off the roads and stick to the trainer.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Just wow. I think I just killed more brain cells watching that then in all of my undergrad years ...

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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The clip is bad but I think some of the comments from people on the news feeds are worse.


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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Longboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Respectfully Bob, what anonymous folks say on the net have nothing to do with a sworn police officer's advocation of violence against cyclists. The last scene is enough, a photo in which one cyclist was killed with the quote "you've thought about doing this..."

She needs firing. Badly
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She needs firing at.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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We shall see if folks who enforce laws are held to a different standard.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Post: Respectfully Bob, what anonymous folks say on the net have nothing to do with a sworn police officer's advocation of violence against cyclists. The last scene is enough, a photo in which one cyclist was killed with the quote "you've thought about doing this..."
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I totally agree with you, she should be terurmanited from her job. I would hate to think she represents the attitude of police officers in general.
I was talking about any of the stories related to bike "accidents". Reading the comments shock me, not sure why. Look at some of the post about the shark deal...some people are idiots.


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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Longboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Some folks think they can do or say anything hiding behind their keyboards.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
Some folks think they can do or say anything hiding behind their keyboards.

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They can and do. We all do. It is what we do with it is what changes things.


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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [travelmama] [ In reply to ]
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travelmama wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
Some folks think they can do or say anything hiding behind their keyboards.

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They can and do. We all do. It is what we do with it is what changes things.

So true

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Oh great- we ride through there on the high road to Ojai. That is just so mean spirited and shocking.

Aren't officers supposed to serve and protect? Yikes.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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I posted this to the chiefs post on FB, i think if others go there and express what you all have expressed in this thread, it would go a long way in making sure this woman does not get a badge with this kind of attitude. I know i personally do not want her in a position of power, especially when there is a car vs bike, or any bike incident in her area.. The top post on the page is he attempt at an apology, scroll down to the chiefs comment..




Mark Allan Montgomery Thanks chief for your quick action, as a retired fire dept/ avid cyclist who now resides in your area, i would hope that this leave becomes permanent. Of course she now begs for forgiveness, but the vitriol she exhibited was not some one off. I think after many years dealing with employees, you know that already. We had guys in our dept like this, and they never change. Best you nip this in the bud while it is still easy to do, otherwise it is going to come back and bite you and or your dept. A lot of eyes are on this and you now, do the right thing.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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She is like a really shitty Jenna Marbles. This girl's tone, the jump cuts, and the whole bitchy attitude are just a low-production value, unfunny imitation. She makes the videos as if her opinions are actually worth anything, and as though she has millions of followers, but thankfully there aren't too many people out there that waste their time on her.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Can you post a direct link to leave the chief a comment. Has not been easy to find.

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monty wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/SantaPaulaPoliceDepartment

Thanks, posted.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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LOL, one of the posters stated they should make her a bike cop...

That would be pure awesomeness...
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [aftereffector] [ In reply to ]
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aftereffector wrote:
Someone suggested that she be reassigned as a bike cop. I love the Internet!

edit: damn, d00d beat me to it.

Yep, I saw that post and just said wow. Now, there clearly are some folks out there that totally hate bikers.

I know yesterday when I was in traffic with my family, we had multiple times where motorcycles went zooming past
us between cars, and each time, family members made negative comments. All it would take is one not to seem
them coming so fast, start a lane change, and they are dead.

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Can you post a direct link to leave the chief a comment. Has not been easy to find.

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Actually I posted his direct email above , smclean@spcity.org. There's a lot of noise on the FB page, not sure he sees that. I know the email is good, I sent him the video and he responded immediately.
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I posted this to the chiefs post on FB, i think if others go there and express what you all have expressed in this thread, it would go a long way in making sure this woman does not get a badge with this kind of attitude. I know i personally do not want her in a position of power, especially when there is a car vs bike, or any bike incident in her area.. The top post on the page is he attempt at an apology, scroll down to the chiefs comment..


Mark Allan Montgomery Thanks chief for your quick action, as a retired fire dept/ avid cyclist who now resides in your area, i would hope that this leave becomes permanent. Of course she now begs for forgiveness, but the vitriol she exhibited was not some one off. I think after many years dealing with employees, you know that already. We had guys in our dept like this, and they never change. Best you nip this in the bud while it is still easy to do, otherwise it is going to come back and bite you and or your dept. A lot of eyes are on this and you now, do the right thing.
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Good post Monty, but you should send it directly to him at his email smclean@spcity.org. I've been communicating with him that she needs to be dismissed. I think a direct email may
put more pressure, not sure what he sees on FB as there is a lot of noise there
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Makes sense.

You getting any feeling on what the chief might do?

I am just amazed how so many think they can do or say anything on social media and not have it impact them.

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h2ofun wrote:
Makes sense.

You getting any feeling on what the chief might do?

I am just amazed how so many think they can do or say anything on social media and not have it impact them.

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You've seen the facebook page, the dept is getting hammered over this. She's a volunteer reserve officer. No union to deal with. I am sure he wants this to blow over, but the cycling community can b like a dog with a bone. I can't imagine he has any vested interest in continuing a volunteer officer's employment. Cut her loose, end the shitstorm.
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ChrisM wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
Makes sense.

You getting any feeling on what the chief might do?

I am just amazed how so many think they can do or say anything on social media and not have it impact them.

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You've seen the facebook page, the dept is getting hammered over this. She's a volunteer reserve officer. No union to deal with. I am sure he wants this to blow over, but the cycling community can b like a dog with a bone. I can't imagine he has any vested interest in continuing a volunteer officer's employment. Cut her loose, end the shitstorm.

In so many ways, cannot see him having any other way out to protect his department and maybe his job.

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For all her vitriol it's ironic that the only cyclists she can find all seem to acting incredibly responsibly: signalling turns, stopped at lights/signs, etc. Makes her look even worse.

As others have said, she needs to leave the police force. I can't see her objectively writing a police report on any car-bike accident.

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For all her vitriol it's ironic that the only cyclists she can find all seem to acting incredibly responsibly: signalling turns, stopped at lights/signs, etc. Makes her look even worse.

As others have said, she needs to leave the police force. I can't see her objectively writing a police report on any car-bike accident.


I was thinking the same thing, all of the cyclists she pointed out were doing the right thing.

I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.
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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..
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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..

Agreed, I see terrible behavior from cyclist. But at the end of the day, a person in a 5000 pound SVU is no no danger from a person on a 20 pound carbon fiber bike and almost 100% of cyclist/motorist interactions can be solved by the motorist being more attentive, slowing down, and being patient for a few fleeting moments. That's always lost in these arguments it seems. Cyclist can be assholes and break the law, but they are the ones who will be killed.

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Just wow. I think I just killed more brain cells watching that then in all of my undergrad years ...

^This.

The bar must be set really low to become police officers.

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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

Chief Steven McLean

That was not there a few minutes back so good for her, and everyone else. This was the only way for the best happy ending.

We can all learn, be very careful what we do or say on social media. Attacking others, issues, etc. might seem funny, but can result in some pretty negative things.

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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..

Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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We have rights. Drivers don't know that though. The two main ones from the vehicle code. Also in September we get a 3 foot rule

21200. (a) A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this division,

Note particularly sub 3 of the following, re lane width

21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction. (2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
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Pretty clear! Seems like a well written rule.

Our Road Code has a 'guidline' for 1.5metre gap when passing a cyclist, but it's not law, and I'd say that 99% of cars don't achieve it, certainly not in cities or towns

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Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

The rules are the same in CA, but there are many roads with dedicated bike lanes and cyclists are expected to stay within them unless there is debris or similar. I'm talking about riders that are four abreast in the middle of a 45 mph road cresting a hill, there are a lot of cyclists that make it hard for drivers and cyclists both.

I agree completely that the motorists need to understand cyclist vulnerability, but cyclists should be aware and show common courtesy when possible. It's just good manners.
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Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

The rules are the same in CA, but there are many roads with dedicated bike lanes and cyclists are expected to stay within them unless there is debris or similar. I'm talking about riders that are four abreast in the middle of a 45 mph road cresting a hill, there are a lot of cyclists that make it hard for drivers and cyclists both.

I agree completely that the motorists need to understand cyclist vulnerability, but cyclists should be aware and show common courtesy when possible. It's just good manners.
Very true. Police officers need to know the laws and rules as well.


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There is actually a maximum IQ for police officers in some jurisdictions. A rejected applicant took the matter to the supreme court and lost as I recall.
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Seems like we're on the same page.

As a cyclist I don't want any courtesy from motorists. IF they'd simply follow the rules, that's good enough for me .
As a motorist, I don't want any special concession from cyclists. IF they'd simply follow the rules, that's good enough for me :-)

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not very hard to believe, one thing that some folk hate when in charge, is to have underlings smart enough to ask questions.



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The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. ///


I get the local paper and it was the lead story on the local news page. ABout a 1/2 page story too. Either i did not watch the video fully, or it was cut off, or i just did not notice, but apparently at the end there is a car running into the middle of a group of cyclists and they are flying all over the place. Did i just miss that?
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The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. ///


I get the local paper and it was the lead story on the local news page. ABout a 1/2 page story too. Either i did not watch the video fully, or it was cut off, or i just did not notice, but apparently at the end there is a car running into the middle of a group of cyclists and they are flying all over the place. Did i just miss that?


That's a still photo from a race in Mexico a few years ago (2008), where a drunk driver hit the peloton. One death, several injuries. It was captioned in the video with "Don't tell me you haven't thought about it."

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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

Chief Steven McLean


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Within 5 minutes of sending an email to Chief McLean, he called me personally. We chatted for about 15 minutes, and of all the law enforcement officers I know and have interacted with in the past, he came across as the most informed, dedicated, and knowledgeable officers I have ever encountered. He was pissed, genuinely pissed at what happened, and he made it abundantly clear that his office would never endorse that kind of behavior, nor would any of his officers.

We need to give Chief McLean a pass, and have faith that he's fair, swift, and has our interests at heart. He was very disturbed that several people (whether cyclists or not, he didn't know) have threatened the reserve officers life, and I would be ashamed if it were someone from our community. What she did was wrong and she's now suffering the consequences for it. Whether her resignation and removal from the force will change her beliefs and actions, we don't know. But she is no longer a representative of the law enforcement community, nor is she likely ever to be in the future.

Chief McLean told me that he is personally calling every person who emails a phone number or leaves a phone number on his voicemail. I'm sure many of you have already been contacted. Let's use this situation to raise awareness in our communities as well, and hopefully this won't result in anyone getting hurt.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "reserve" police officer?? Is it the police equivalent of a volunteer firefighter??

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ In reply to ]
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Ummm, why is the video still up...?
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [lakercr] [ In reply to ]
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lakercr wrote:
Ummm, why is the video still up...?

She apparently tried deleting it but someone figured out a way to keep it on youtube, no idea how.....
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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Turd Ferguson wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "reserve" police officer?? Is it the police equivalent of a volunteer firefighter??

pretty much
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Youtube should know how to do it, no?

I flagged it as offensive content earlier today...
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [lakercr] [ In reply to ]
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lakercr wrote:
Youtube should know how to do it, no?

I flagged it as offensive content earlier today...

I think the intent of whoever reposted it was to prevent it from being buried. As soon as the shit hit the fan Friday she tried to take it down.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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Turd Ferguson wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "reserve" police officer?? Is it the police equivalent of a volunteer firefighter??

I am sure it differs from place to place, but I knew a reserve officer in Dallas. It was about a year of training (all day Saturday, and I think one night during the week), and then he basically served as an unpaid DPD officer for a few days a month. I think he was always paired up with another cop, but don't remember.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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this is a hot topic with law enforcement and cyclists in SoCal, especially considering that a recent death was likely caused by an officer that was driving and texting.

this story is still getting a lot of air, it was just discussed again on one of our larger local radio talk shows as well. Gladly one of the hosts was also disgusted with this person's tasteless youtube rant.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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I sent an e-mail to Chief McLean with a respectful tone but suggesting the offending reserve officer be terminated. Within 2 minutes Chief McLean called me to discuss the matter. As Monty already noted, reserve officer Weintraub has already resigned. According to Chief McLean, he met with her after he suspended her and while the investigation continued. He told reserve officer Weintraub he could not envision a scenario where she could ever come back to the department. Chief McLean is embarrassed as are all the other officers in his department.

I was impressed that Chief McLean called me back. I live in the Midwest and am unlikely to ever influence anything in Southern California. Chief McLean is handling this thing head on. Accordingly, he has handled every single media request personally and is trying to call (not just e-mail) everyone that reaches out to him. He told me he was at the office past midnight on Friday dealing with the firestorm and again all weekend. Regardless, Chief McLean asked me to post his direct phone number in case anyone wants to discuss the matter with him. I told him I would do so. You can reach Chief McLean at (815) 525-4474 ext. 122.

Now for the good news. One of the people that reached out to Chief McLean is a personal injury lawyer in Southern California that has represented several people injured or killed in cycling accidents with vehicles. That lawyer is also himself an avid cyclist and advocate for the likes of those on this forum. He invited Chief McLean to meet with himself and a cycling advocacy group out of Los Angeles to discuss training for Chief McLean's officers and ways the City of Santa Paula can educate the public about the rights and responsibilities of cyclists. To his credit, Chief McLean is meeting with them this coming Friday and seems genuinely excited about the opportunity to better train his officers and educate the public.

One last thing. Chief McLean told me his officers have been taking a lot of heat for the comments of former reserve officer Weintraub. According to Chief McLean, they are all disgusted about her comments, which do not reflect the value or opinions of the department. I likened it to cyclists that don't obey traffic laws and generally make a bad name for all of us. As a cyclist that tries to be respectful of the laws relating to vehicular traffic, I cringe every time someone assumes I ride like those with no regard for others or the rules of the road. Let's make sure we don't paint the entire Santa Paula police department with a broad brush.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tigerblood] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for this update. This is great news:
Now for the good news. One of the people that reached out to Chief McLean is a personal injury lawyer in Southern California that has represented several people injured or killed in cycling accidents with vehicles. That lawyer is also himself an avid cyclist and advocate for the likes of those on this forum. He invited Chief McLean to meet with himself and a cycling advocacy group out of Los Angeles to discuss training for Chief McLean's officers and ways the City of Santa Paula can educate the public about the rights and responsibilities of cyclists. To his credit, Chief McLean is meeting with them this coming Friday and seems genuinely excited about the opportunity to better train his officers and educate the public.

I was also impressed with the Chief's immediate response to my email. The bikinginLA blog was a bit cynical about the above coming to pass, so I am glad to hear of the meeting.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tigerblood] [ In reply to ]
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With all of the different posts of accidents and the ignorant responses from other drivers, and from the law enforcement officers, this is absolutely some god coming from this. Hopefully the SPPD can use the lawyer and advocacy group to make real change in his city, and maybe become an example for other departments and cities!
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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ChrisM wrote:
lakercr wrote:
Ummm, why is the video still up...?


She apparently tried deleting it but someone figured out a way to keep it on youtube, no idea how.....

What's published to the internet stays on the internet forever. Someone else will try to upload the video if the original is taken down.... because they would have grabbed their own local copy while the video was available. Go after them and someone else will... until you run into an Internet troll who then shares the takedown story on 4chan or reddit.... then within an hour there will be hundreds of copies of that video on not just youtube but every other video sharing site.

That's how the internet works.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Dilbert] [ In reply to ]
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Dilbert wrote:
ChrisM wrote:
lakercr wrote:
Ummm, why is the video still up...?


She apparently tried deleting it but someone figured out a way to keep it on youtube, no idea how.....


What's published to the internet stays on the internet forever. Someone else will try to upload the video if the original is taken down.... because they would have grabbed their own local copy while the video was available. Go after them and someone else will... until you run into an Internet troll who then shares the takedown story on 4chan or reddit.... then within an hour there will be hundreds of copies of that video on not just youtube but every other video sharing site.

That's how the internet works.

Well I got that, but what comes up is actually her youtube page as her video, not as someone else hosting a copy of it, which is how I thought it would be.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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bump, update
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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why don't you just start a new thread, because i think it's confusing how you did it, putting the update as an edit to your original post.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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with regards to your edit and update, this is classic engagement strategy probably counseled by a trained public affairs professional.

So, asking if she gets it or not is probably beside the point. It's an information war.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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"8/5 Some good may come out of this after all. Seth Davidson, a local cycling ummm cycling "advocate" some of you may know, and the LA County Bike Coalition met with Santa Paula's police chief to discuss ways to improve driver/rider relationships, and ncrease education and safety.

Then, turns out the woman that made the vid reached out to a cycling blog (http://bikinginla.com/) to talk to the blogger to get a better understanding as to the outcry her video produced. The result is below. Truly contrite or Damage control? maybe a little of both, but certainly a step in the right direction (although sadly some of the comments to this new vid reflect the same old "bikes don't belong on roads" crap, but little by little...) Also certainly a much better outcome than we usually see, which is people slinking off into the shadows. At least she had the guts to post it.

https://www.youtube.com/...Co6xakLj32SuV0cNkfDQ "

Thanks for posting Chris


I agree probably a little of both. It would be good to see if the cycling community could get her out for a few more rides.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [CruseVegas] [ In reply to ]
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Seems she might just want attention since who would want to hire her. Ignoring her might be the best for everyone.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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ericM40-44 wrote:
with regards to your edit and update, this is classic engagement strategy probably counseled by a trained public affairs professional.

So, asking if she gets it or not is probably beside the point. It's an information war.

So take my editorial question out of the equation. Is it better than the way these things usually end? Worse? No different? I'd say better by a long shot, but that's just my .02.

She was the one that reached out to Ted Rogers of bikinginla (a pretty important blog out here), I think that says something. She could have gone radio silent, if the reason she didn't was public affairs, is that so bad given the result?
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
Seems she might just want attention since who would want to hire her. Ignoring her might be the best for everyone.

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Yeah, just feels like damage control and self promotion. She clearly is harboring a desire to be a celebrity of sorts and this seems to advance that agenda.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Another idiot trying to benefit from her stupidity.

Sure, she "reached out" to the cycling community and tried to learn what all of the fuss was about. The fact the she had to do this is, alone, proof of her lack of fitness for law enforcement.
Looks like a bit of a media whore right now…..
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [toreishi] [ In reply to ]
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At least she took it a step further by actually meeting with cyclists. She could have done the simple pro-athlete method: 30 second video saying 'I'm sorry'. I bet she was nervous meeting with the bikers. Ignorance is bliss...until that bliss is lifted.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tigerblood] [ In reply to ]
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tigerblood wrote:
I sent an e-mail to Chief McLean with a respectful tone but suggesting the offending reserve officer be terminated. Within 2 minutes Chief McLean called me to discuss the matter. As Monty already noted, reserve officer Weintraub has already resigned. According to Chief McLean, he met with her after he suspended her and while the investigation continued. He told reserve officer Weintraub he could not envision a scenario where she could ever come back to the department. Chief McLean is embarrassed as are all the other officers in his department.

I was impressed that Chief McLean called me back. I live in the Midwest and am unlikely to ever influence anything in Southern California. Chief McLean is handling this thing head on. Accordingly, he has handled every single media request personally and is trying to call (not just e-mail) everyone that reaches out to him. He told me he was at the office past midnight on Friday dealing with the firestorm and again all weekend. Regardless, Chief McLean asked me to post his direct phone number in case anyone wants to discuss the matter with him. I told him I would do so. You can reach Chief McLean at (815) 525-4474 ext. 122.

Now for the good news. One of the people that reached out to Chief McLean is a personal injury lawyer in Southern California that has represented several people injured or killed in cycling accidents with vehicles. That lawyer is also himself an avid cyclist and advocate for the likes of those on this forum. He invited Chief McLean to meet with himself and a cycling advocacy group out of Los Angeles to discuss training for Chief McLean's officers and ways the City of Santa Paula can educate the public about the rights and responsibilities of cyclists. To his credit, Chief McLean is meeting with them this coming Friday and seems genuinely excited about the opportunity to better train his officers and educate the public.

One last thing. Chief McLean told me his officers have been taking a lot of heat for the comments of former reserve officer Weintraub. According to Chief McLean, they are all disgusted about her comments, which do not reflect the value or opinions of the department. I likened it to cyclists that don't obey traffic laws and generally make a bad name for all of us. As a cyclist that tries to be respectful of the laws relating to vehicular traffic, I cringe every time someone assumes I ride like those with no regard for others or the rules of the road. Let's make sure we don't paint the entire Santa Paula police department with a broad brush.

You're not the only one:

http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/...7/31/a-stand-up-cop/
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ericM40-44 wrote:
with regards to your edit and update, this is classic engagement strategy probably counseled by a trained public affairs professional.

So, asking if she gets it or not is probably beside the point. It's an information war.

And if the cycling community continues to harass her she can claim the high ground, game, set match.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists -- 8/5/14 UPDATE - Does she get it? new video in first post... [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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exactly. that's the thing about engagement, once you do it you open up for counter moves. It's never ending. Best to ignore her.

Bryancd wrote:
ericM40-44 wrote:
with regards to your edit and update, this is classic engagement strategy probably counseled by a trained public affairs professional.

So, asking if she gets it or not is probably beside the point. It's an information war.


And if the cycling community continues to harass her she can claim the high ground, game, set match.

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AlanShearer wrote:
tigerblood wrote:
I sent an e-mail to Chief McLean with a respectful tone but suggesting the offending reserve officer be terminated. Within 2 minutes Chief McLean called me to discuss the matter. As Monty already noted, reserve officer Weintraub has already resigned. According to Chief McLean, he met with her after he suspended her and while the investigation continued. He told reserve officer Weintraub he could not envision a scenario where she could ever come back to the department. Chief McLean is embarrassed as are all the other officers in his department.

I was impressed that Chief McLean called me back. I live in the Midwest and am unlikely to ever influence anything in Southern California. Chief McLean is handling this thing head on. Accordingly, he has handled every single media request personally and is trying to call (not just e-mail) everyone that reaches out to him. He told me he was at the office past midnight on Friday dealing with the firestorm and again all weekend. Regardless, Chief McLean asked me to post his direct phone number in case anyone wants to discuss the matter with him. I told him I would do so. You can reach Chief McLean at (815) 525-4474 ext. 122.

Now for the good news. One of the people that reached out to Chief McLean is a personal injury lawyer in Southern California that has represented several people injured or killed in cycling accidents with vehicles. That lawyer is also himself an avid cyclist and advocate for the likes of those on this forum. He invited Chief McLean to meet with himself and a cycling advocacy group out of Los Angeles to discuss training for Chief McLean's officers and ways the City of Santa Paula can educate the public about the rights and responsibilities of cyclists. To his credit, Chief McLean is meeting with them this coming Friday and seems genuinely excited about the opportunity to better train his officers and educate the public.

One last thing. Chief McLean told me his officers have been taking a lot of heat for the comments of former reserve officer Weintraub. According to Chief McLean, they are all disgusted about her comments, which do not reflect the value or opinions of the department. I likened it to cyclists that don't obey traffic laws and generally make a bad name for all of us. As a cyclist that tries to be respectful of the laws relating to vehicular traffic, I cringe every time someone assumes I ride like those with no regard for others or the rules of the road. Let's make sure we don't paint the entire Santa Paula police department with a broad brush.


You're not the only one:

http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/...7/31/a-stand-up-cop/


Wow, that chief is one leader!!! Too bad most of our elected folks in congress cannot learn a little from him.

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