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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Makes sense.

You getting any feeling on what the chief might do?

I am just amazed how so many think they can do or say anything on social media and not have it impact them.

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You've seen the facebook page, the dept is getting hammered over this. She's a volunteer reserve officer. No union to deal with. I am sure he wants this to blow over, but the cycling community can b like a dog with a bone. I can't imagine he has any vested interest in continuing a volunteer officer's employment. Cut her loose, end the shitstorm.

In so many ways, cannot see him having any other way out to protect his department and maybe his job.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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For all her vitriol it's ironic that the only cyclists she can find all seem to acting incredibly responsibly: signalling turns, stopped at lights/signs, etc. Makes her look even worse.

As others have said, she needs to leave the police force. I can't see her objectively writing a police report on any car-bike accident.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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For all her vitriol it's ironic that the only cyclists she can find all seem to acting incredibly responsibly: signalling turns, stopped at lights/signs, etc. Makes her look even worse.

As others have said, she needs to leave the police force. I can't see her objectively writing a police report on any car-bike accident.


I was thinking the same thing, all of the cyclists she pointed out were doing the right thing.

I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Hussman] [ In reply to ]
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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..

Agreed, I see terrible behavior from cyclist. But at the end of the day, a person in a 5000 pound SVU is no no danger from a person on a 20 pound carbon fiber bike and almost 100% of cyclist/motorist interactions can be solved by the motorist being more attentive, slowing down, and being patient for a few fleeting moments. That's always lost in these arguments it seems. Cyclist can be assholes and break the law, but they are the ones who will be killed.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [rroof] [ In reply to ]
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Just wow. I think I just killed more brain cells watching that then in all of my undergrad years ...

^This.

The bar must be set really low to become police officers.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [TheGupster] [ In reply to ]
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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

Chief Steven McLean

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [TheGupster] [ In reply to ]
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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

Chief Steven McLean

That was not there a few minutes back so good for her, and everyone else. This was the only way for the best happy ending.

We can all learn, be very careful what we do or say on social media. Attacking others, issues, etc. might seem funny, but can result in some pretty negative things.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I do get frustrated with some cyclists as a driver though, many forget that they have a responsibility to stay in their lane, signal, and stop at stop signs.//

Keep in mind that "their" lane is also your lane. In most places cyclists are entitled to the right lane( the one you drive in). Too many people feel that cyclists are only entitled to what is left over after a car is in the lane..

Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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We have rights. Drivers don't know that though. The two main ones from the vehicle code. Also in September we get a 3 foot rule

21200. (a) A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this division,

Note particularly sub 3 of the following, re lane width

21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: (1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction. (2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. (3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty clear! Seems like a well written rule.

Our Road Code has a 'guidline' for 1.5metre gap when passing a cyclist, but it's not law, and I'd say that 99% of cars don't achieve it, certainly not in cities or towns

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

The rules are the same in CA, but there are many roads with dedicated bike lanes and cyclists are expected to stay within them unless there is debris or similar. I'm talking about riders that are four abreast in the middle of a 45 mph road cresting a hill, there are a lot of cyclists that make it hard for drivers and cyclists both.

I agree completely that the motorists need to understand cyclist vulnerability, but cyclists should be aware and show common courtesy when possible. It's just good manners.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Hussman] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure of the laws in CA, but here in New Zealand, cyclists are legal road users. We must follow the Road Code, just like other road users. The Road Code says that all road users must stay as close as practical to the side of the road. All good. It also says that you can only pass another road user when it is safe to do so. The Road Code also says that cyclists shall not ride MORE than 2 abreast.

Most motorists forget that last part and pass in lots of places where it's patently not safe to pass.

Unfortunately many cyclists forget that rule, just like motorists don't pass safely. cyclists also forget to signal turns or stop at red lights.

While both motorists and cyclists don't obey all the rules all the time, this does not give motorists the right to antagonize or advocate violence towards cyclists.

The rules are the same in CA, but there are many roads with dedicated bike lanes and cyclists are expected to stay within them unless there is debris or similar. I'm talking about riders that are four abreast in the middle of a 45 mph road cresting a hill, there are a lot of cyclists that make it hard for drivers and cyclists both.

I agree completely that the motorists need to understand cyclist vulnerability, but cyclists should be aware and show common courtesy when possible. It's just good manners.
Very true. Police officers need to know the laws and rules as well.


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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [TheGupster] [ In reply to ]
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There is actually a maximum IQ for police officers in some jurisdictions. A rejected applicant took the matter to the supreme court and lost as I recall.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Hussman] [ In reply to ]
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Seems like we're on the same page.

As a cyclist I don't want any courtesy from motorists. IF they'd simply follow the rules, that's good enough for me .
As a motorist, I don't want any special concession from cyclists. IF they'd simply follow the rules, that's good enough for me :-)

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [corneliused] [ In reply to ]
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not very hard to believe, one thing that some folk hate when in charge, is to have underlings smart enough to ask questions.



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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [TheGupster] [ In reply to ]
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The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. ///


I get the local paper and it was the lead story on the local news page. ABout a 1/2 page story too. Either i did not watch the video fully, or it was cut off, or i just did not notice, but apparently at the end there is a car running into the middle of a group of cyclists and they are flying all over the place. Did i just miss that?
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The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. ///


I get the local paper and it was the lead story on the local news page. ABout a 1/2 page story too. Either i did not watch the video fully, or it was cut off, or i just did not notice, but apparently at the end there is a car running into the middle of a group of cyclists and they are flying all over the place. Did i just miss that?


That's a still photo from a race in Mexico a few years ago (2008), where a drunk driver hit the peloton. One death, several injuries. It was captioned in the video with "Don't tell me you haven't thought about it."

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [TheGupster] [ In reply to ]
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From FB Page (I didn't see it above, sorry if repost)

The purpose of this post is to advise the community that I have accepted the resignation of Volunteer Reserve Officer Laura Weintraub. Her resignation is effective today. I believe that Ms. Weintraub did the right thing for everyone involved and wish her nothing but the best for her and her family.

Chief Steven McLean


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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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Within 5 minutes of sending an email to Chief McLean, he called me personally. We chatted for about 15 minutes, and of all the law enforcement officers I know and have interacted with in the past, he came across as the most informed, dedicated, and knowledgeable officers I have ever encountered. He was pissed, genuinely pissed at what happened, and he made it abundantly clear that his office would never endorse that kind of behavior, nor would any of his officers.

We need to give Chief McLean a pass, and have faith that he's fair, swift, and has our interests at heart. He was very disturbed that several people (whether cyclists or not, he didn't know) have threatened the reserve officers life, and I would be ashamed if it were someone from our community. What she did was wrong and she's now suffering the consequences for it. Whether her resignation and removal from the force will change her beliefs and actions, we don't know. But she is no longer a representative of the law enforcement community, nor is she likely ever to be in the future.

Chief McLean told me that he is personally calling every person who emails a phone number or leaves a phone number on his voicemail. I'm sure many of you have already been contacted. Let's use this situation to raise awareness in our communities as well, and hopefully this won't result in anyone getting hurt.
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "reserve" police officer?? Is it the police equivalent of a volunteer firefighter??

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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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disgusting, clown looking, So Cal lady monster
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [ In reply to ]
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Ummm, why is the video still up...?
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Re: Santa Paula, CA reserve police officer posts youtube video advocating hitting cyclists [lakercr] [ In reply to ]
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lakercr wrote:
Ummm, why is the video still up...?

She apparently tried deleting it but someone figured out a way to keep it on youtube, no idea how.....
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