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I'd like to see a pic of the non-drive side.

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Is there a reason companies still don't do a better job with the front brake? The major couple seem to have, and I can't see the brake all that well on this bike, but it certainly isn't integrated into the fork like some of the superbikes.

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i think that's the point of this bike. it's designed to be relatively simple and easy to work on. i don't know if it is, because i haven't worked on it, but that's the idea behind the design of the bike - to be in the hunt aerodynamically, but to also be easy to adjust, to ship to a race, and so forth.

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Well, actually it is. From what I can see in the fairly low-res pics, the front brake is a shimano direct mount (two bosses are integrated into the fork).

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The brake shown is a Shimano Ultegra direct mount. The fork will also take any single post (traditional brake) on the market.

As Dan said, the point of the bike is to be simple and functional without sacrificing Aero. As you can see by the drag chart this is a very slippery bike, and that chart is with the ultegra brake and a fully adjustable aero bar package. Could the bike be 'faster' with a Magura or aero egg or Gravitas, yes a little, but this is the way it comes out of the box so that is the curve we show. Plus that brake stops like a ton of bricks, and the rear does too.

The bike is slippery, light, stiff, handles well and easy to work on. that is the point of the bike, and we believe that is what makes it great.

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So you guys can better measure the vertical axis. ....so it looks like approximately less then a min difference between all of them over a 40k in a wind tunnel. I'm guessing even less in the real world.

Triathlon Competitor Results (I think the wheels were all different)


QR Results

It is the first QR I liked in a while.

apropos of nothing, but, do you get the sense that in these two graphs you posted one test must have swept the bike from left to right, the other right to left?

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Dan Empfield
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also possible that you're seeing the characteristic behavior of different tunnels. FASTER and A2 are rather different designs.

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Carl Matson

Any COMPARISONS to the CDO1?

While I think it's a great bike, I think it's awesome, because it hits the right target!

All sorts of bikes target the stratosphere, and require a sag wagon and team mechanic if you want to own one.

QR has made a very good bike that is "there or there-abouts" BUT it uses off the shelf parts for the most part, and can be worked on by mere mortals.

It's a REAL WORLD superbike and I applaud them for A) targetting that and B) seeming to achieve it.

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My chart shows the non-drive side drag (lower values) on the left of the graph and drive side drag on the right. The data is formatted so you can visualize the test from the rider's perspective.

The other chart is simply formatted so that the drive side is to the left of the page. Just a formatting difference and doesn't necessarily represent any testing/procedure difference.

Brad D
QR

Any comparisons with the CDO1?

Actually what would be interesting is how it compares with the new P3, which seems to be the direct comparison and the best competitor from a price-based view. If they are close enough (and it looks like they should based on the graphs), the PR might have an edge just for novelty, looks, and better pricing down the line. Still would be a hard choice since the new P3 is a very simple bike (no bayonet), might be lighter than the "heavy" (big "" here) P5 and overall slightly cheaper.

Is this available now?

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Brad is in Asia right now and can't access this website. I'll jump in and help.


The size 52 bikes are on the way to dealers this week. The size 50 bikes will arrive at dealers in 3-4 weeks. Size 54 is 3-4 weeks after that. We have two demo bikes in a 52 that will be available to ride at Ironman Texas, with more being added to events as they are available.

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Thanks!! Guess I should hope I'm a 52cm. Do you have a link to a sizing chart?

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Just got a size 50 in this week. Excited to get it up and running. I will have more photos up as the build takes shape. The final product has really exceeded my expectations. The frame looks great and I'm really liking the change in paint scheme. QR is a class act all company all around, and they put their customers first. Can't wait to do this bike justice at Texas in a couple weeks.

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Stop going to baseball games and get this thing built already.

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NIce bike, but kind of crazy: a new superbike without top tube storage bosses? Earlier, the QR folks said this bike would have them. But I guess not? Or is this a one-off prototype frame?

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Just a crazy idea, but why not double-side adhesive tape some velcro to the top tube and the bottom of your storage and then just stick it on?

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Not a crazy idea at all. We tested it quite extensively. But it was more than just a little problematic. We don't want to make something that will work awesome for 1 ride. We want to make advanced products that will work great for at least 1000 rides.

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Quite a change from the last QR PR bike (of which I'm aware)...

This bike was a Private Reserve. The new one is a Personal Record :-)

:)
Yeah, but, knowing how big triathletes stables can get, I would've thought they'd avoid the equivalent abbreviation. Were they feeling nostalgic or trying to blot out any remaining memories of its prior use? ;)

actually, that bike wasn't a private reserve. here's QR's history page and that yellow bike, just down from the top, was a PR. if it doesn't have that gusset behind the head tube it's not a PR.

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The bike above is a Tequilo I think, but I still think PR stood for Private Reserve.

you're right, PR stood for private reserve. at the time (early 90s) a few of us at QR were amateur wine afficionados and it was kind of an inside joke. that's where that came from.

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I have been trying to figure out what that yellow and red bike was, maybe a prototype with those little blue pops along w the red and yellow? We always put the model name on the top tube.
The "Private Reserve" is a reference to wine, courtesy of Steve Santel, QR sales manager in the late 80's to mid 90's.
I guess we thought we were pretty clever, then coming in w the Kilo and TeQuilo...
KS
QR alumni 1989-2003

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The first few units in the US will not have the bosses. The bosses will be included on the top tube.

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Thanks for the info. I think those bosses wiil allow for some really good and aero storage options on the PR6.

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Im a QR fan and im not crazy about it. I saw it at my LBS this week. IMO they could have done a better job hiding the DI2 wires.

Some pictures from when we were building it up.




(For after market brake, i.e. Tri Rig)








Finished

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We know. The hard part is that you need to keep the junction boxes accessible so that you can charge the battery. Hiding the junction box in some kind of port would cause headaches for most people. It's an area where function needs to be the main priority. We've mounted the junction box in different places on some that we've built up. It's really up to you and your shop.

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huge miss by QR not shipping a direct mount TriRig Omega as OEM in my opinion

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I don't think its a huge miss at all. Based on the fact that QR deals with Shimano for all their builds why would they go with a competitor's brake system? Leave it to the customer to decide if they want to add on an after-market product.

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because the competitor's brake is better, for the intended purpose. or because the competitor's brake speaks the the market that QR would presume to sell to. or because the QR offers nothing over a Blue, from a marketing perspective, which ships with a TriRig IIRC. Or because the QR offers noting over a real super bike, which are all faster, in the real world.

you're looking at this from the industry perspective... sure it's easier to spec Shimano. But they do things the same way again and again and wonder why everyone rides a Cervelo.

If you want to be an iconic brand, or be a brand regaining its iconic status, you have to do iconic things with the bikes you produce and sell.

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It's not even about a competitor's brake system or not. It's giving the customer the choice to use whatever brake they want to use. Why Shimano? Because I can't ever recall a conversation with anyone about Shimano Ultegra or Dura Ace braking performance. It's a new brake to the market that we used and liked. One of the basic things that a bike needs to do is work properly. These brakes work. We made a conscious decision to keep the design and execution as simple as possible so that the consumer can change out wheels easily on their own without having to make a trip to the bike shop. That can't be said for other designs on the market.

What's great about this frame is that you have choices. You can spec the TriRig brake. Or the Magura brake. Or a TRP brake. Or a standard road brake on the fork that you have laying around the house.

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Is there any way to hide the junction box and clean it up some? I looked at this bike for 30 min today and just cant get past that part. I know i know but its my OCD. I ride a CD0.1 now and am getting the itch for a new bike. My idea for my next bike was no exposed wires or cables and Di2. I can get over the front brake but the di2 wires kill me.

I'm on a plane right now, so I don't have access to some pictures that I'd like to share.

There are multiple places to put the junction box. The hardest part is that you have to have it accessible to charge the battery. As soon as the conversation switches to hiding it, we take a weight penalty to create that space, a cover, and some small screws to keep a cover in place.

If you email me directly, I'll be able rto more directly address other options. Also, please let me know where you looked at the bike.

Mac@americanbicyclegroup.com

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Could you post those pics you referenced? The PR6 is on my wishlist currently- just need to offload my current ride!

Which pics are you looking for? I couldn't figure it out.

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I interpreted your previous post to mean you had photos of the Di2 junction box installed in various locations. Was curious to see what you guys tried as I've done many custom di2 builds myself. Want to get ideas for my pr6 build

I'm in the office late and don't have any pics of junction box locations hanging around. We've put them on the stem, behind the stem, on the front of a base bar, on the back of a base bar and on an extension to the inside.

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You should ask Callum Millward how he hid the junction box on his PR6- a little bit of sanding on edges and conrners of the junction box made it possible for him to slip the box inside the frame at the top-tube cable port

Thanks for posting! It's helpful to see alternate ways the junction box has been mounted on this bike. The centered-on-stem location shown frequently is relatively clean, though I use a bta hydration system and I could envision it getting soaked endlessly with sports drink in that position.

Interesting! That must be quite the stealthy setup! Do you know if he needs to fish out the junction box when it comes time to charge?

There seems to be a spot, underneath the stem/risers, for a screw. Is this for a limiter screw so the fork does turn back into the frame?

I just got my frame in and building it up and saw that there.

Yes, there is a limiter screw included, but not installed It should be in the parts box that is included.

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Thank you for the prompt reply earlier. Second question, I received my frame set and it came mounted with the ultegra brakes. The issue I'm facing is with the front brake.

The brake cartridge shoes are inside the fork and don't seem to have enough clearance to allow for a wide wheel (Reynolds 92 RZRs in this case). It looks like I'll have to use a standard front mounted brake where the cartridge shoe sits in front of the fork. But before I do that, I was wondering if there was something I'm missing? I even tried using the cartridge shoes from the TRP brakes I had on my CD0.1.

Thanks,
Tu

I'm looking at this bike -- currently ride a QR Lucero lite medium. 514 stack. 407 reach. It's set up with the base bar all the way down and a 110 stem (6deg). The PR6 52 has a 520 stack and a 410 reach and and the 54 has a 540 stack and a 425 reach. The top tube and seat tube lengths on the 54 are closer to my current bike but the stack is a little higher. I could probably ride either but am wondering would be the better fit.

Just looking at the geometry without either bike in front of me, but unless you currently have your saddle jammed all the way back (and probably even in that case), the size 52 PR6 should feel a lot closer to your current set up, assuming you move over all of your current components with no changes. The difference in seat tube measurement is pretty irrelevant in this case.

You'd probably be okay reach-wise on the 54 (slide your saddle and/or play with the fancy stem bits), but at a full inch higher in stack, you would probably feel more upright. ...of course, who's to say that that wouldn't be more aero for you and your position? ;)

What is your pad stack and reach?
Instructions are here, but measure reach to the back of the pad, not the centre.

Pad reach is 490 (stem is a 100 vs a 110) Pad stack is 595. May be difficult to get pads in right place with 540 frame stack. 52 may be the way to go.

You can't fit the PR6 at all with the stock Aeria Bars
I haven't seen proper geometry data for stem but as far as I can figure it will have a min stack of 45mm (to centre of bar). So even with 520 FrameY you are at 565 BarY and need a 30mm pad stack bar like Vision or Original Felt Bayonet to get to the correct PadY. Would then need the pads shifted well forward to hit your target PadX.
This may not be the ideal bike for you.

I have a HED Corsair which has a pretty low pad stack. This may not be the right bike though -- I'm hard to fit the long legs short trunk etc. The lucero has fit me very well and its hard for me to find a frame with a short reach but not too small for my 5'9 height.

well said. The front end looks silly with the brake hanging out in the wind...and trek sc has simple slots for the brakes to be adjusted without taking the covers off.
A big miss in my opinion. I truly can say I've never been interested in buying a qr. I'm actually still surprised they are afloat. I would be interested to know who sells more bikes per year, qr or dengfu?

Does anyone know where I could get custom decals for a PR6?

Try this fellow. He's done a bit of work for me over the years.
Sean De Gruchy
sdggb@yahoo.com

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