Oh no, here we go.

Perhaps he would be interested in buying my avid bb7 cable road brakes from about 2008. They were fine on my fully loaded (and I mean fully loaded with rider, frame and gear up at close to 150kg) tourer with a descent way longer than 20 minutes.

So that's got to be fine for his skinny arse frame.

And as a bonus I'll teach him the right technique for using disks on long descents.

Sidenote, my ultegra 8000 hydro were also fine with my 85kg on a 16km 1000m descent from the ski fields down the winding access road. And I'd probably have been more worried at wearing through a full set of rubber rim pads than the disks fading.

Wanker like you should keep your filthy mouth closed on these topics. This is not some pornsite where retards like you can “teach” other retards wanking mastery skills :)

well, that escalated quickly...

Agree with the notion that light pro riders should be fine if us heavy dudes are.
I'm definitely more happy with my rotors heating up than the carbon clinchers i used to melt regularly in the Austrian mountains....

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You regularily melted clinchers?? Must have been expensive....

The melting part is more scary then expensive.
It is the replacing them with new ones which is expensive.

Now all my wheels either have aluminum brake-tracks or discs...

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To the seasoned rider disks are not really necessary. I like them on my Litespeed T3 with carbon wheels in the wet but have no issues with my aero framed bike with a standard bike in the rain. The standard caliper just needs a different braking technique that does require some thought. I can get both systems to stop in the same distance in the wet with carbon rimmed wheels. The discs are just a thoughtless process. A bike should be a thoughtless process, an extension of your body. I'm still keeping my aero bike with standard brakes but do love my disced T3. Nothing rides and handles like titanium. The feedback the T3 gives me is what cycling is all about to me.

 

I switched to disc brakes in 96-97? I would not got back. Mud, grime, rain, sand, oily roads, the discs just work. And I prefer mechanical because they just always work. Fluid brakes have better modulation but my mechanicals have never let me down. And I typically ride in Asheville NC which is why I switched to discs in the first place.

Incredible.

I have personally used disk brakes on all my drop bar bikes now for a couple years...maybe 50K miles. I do truly believe apples to apples my rim Madones may have been a peach fuzz faster. And I'm an aero weenie disk brake hold out.

I think the HED turbine braking surface may have been some of the best brake tech ever introduced....and unfortunately never took a solid hold as rotors began to take over. Darn!

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I don't like disc braces either. I have them on a mtb, but I'm in no hurry to "upgrade" any of my other bikes.
Once a sponsor foots the bill I'll be happy to reconsider.

I went through 3 pairs of Ultegra and 1 pair of DA rotors last season alone, I am 66kg. They become warped really quick and are constantly rubbing. And no, I don't need to learn proper disk braking technique like I suspect Froome doesn't either. Everything Froome says is true like it or not. And indeed, they are here to stay like it or not.

I will point out however, switching to TRP rotors on all my bikes has drastically improved the brake rub and the warping.

I kept one pair of rotors all season. (72kg). No rubbing at all. Maybe I need to learn proper disk braking technique so I can get the super pro rub and warping. :)

i have never warped a rotor. i'm not questioning your experience, just, this has been mine. however, yes, there are certainly big differences in rotor quality. however, shimano ice tech, SRAM, never had a problem, and i've heard that campy's rotors are better yet.

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.. interestingly nobody in my age group [riding road bike since the early eighties] talks about brakes longer than it takes to set them proper up .. oSo >>

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x2 on melting (actually, just a heat bubble came up on the brake track) on a course in Austria. Enve warranted the rims but I went back to aluminum brake track for that type of course.

I wonder if there's something about the hubs or the way that the rotors are mounted/ bolted onto the hub that results in some people struggling more or less than others. Genuinely, I'm intrigued. It's a bit like the 'debate' about the latest Garmin HRM straps - some people like me kill them every time they replace the battery, others have no issues. Seems there's similar with rotors. I've never had any issues with rotors since my first disk MTB in 2000, or my commuter/tourer road bike in 2008. Nada.

Rim brakes, had a mare of a time on the commute bike as that got a hammering on potholed roads and 150 miles a week - wore through countless rims, constant need to re-true, etc etc.. On my TT bike made that 'rookie' error in a race when I got a puncture of inflating before putting the wheel back into frame - and so needed to deflate again to clear the tyre between the pads. Also on my old (and I mean old) alloy road frame I would get brake rub on climbs, but it didn't slow me or really bother me.

Anyway, all up I just find it an odd statement from Froome. More about his state of mind and less about any specific bike related issue.

I've purchased rotors that come warped out of the box (SRAM and Shimano ice tech). It's typically just 1 small section on it where it bends slightly inward or outward. Not enough to rub initially, but once you start braking, the rotor heats up and then becomes a little more bent. You then hear "ding, ding" for the next minute or so while it cools down. It's not a deal breaker to me. Every once in a while, I do need to "bend them back".

I've also moved these rotors to other wheels to see if it was a hub problem, but it seems to be it's a rotor issue. I think all of them have been of a floating (2 piece) design.

I found Froome's comments to be similar to my experience. That said, if given the choice between a disc brake road bike and a rim brake road bike, I'll take the disc brake road bike because I want to run 28c+ tires and prefer the braking performance.

I always appreciate your insight Dan. Thanks

Interesting, I don't think I've ever had a 2 piece rotor. Wonder if that's where I've been fortunate / lucky.

I have similar experience as you and live in a “heavy braking” area of north Florida... I’ve beaten my head against the wall, swapped things around, used it as excuse to upgrade to Etap... paid a shop to set them up. all left me with it being fine in the stand then rubbing after a ride.

SRAM two piece, TRP two piece. The sram single piece have fared better. This is over 4 bikes, 6-8 wheelsets in different combos and over time.

I’ve spent more time trying to remove rub on one rotor one day than I’ve spent adjusting rim brakes in my entire life.

I’ve even bent a rotor in half out of frustration and bought a new one thinking I had a bad rotor. Replacement had same issues...

Not saying better or worse overall just saying this is legit issue in my mind.