I read your post and your heavy training volume with great interest and have a question:
What was the point of that much volume?(base? peaking?) and what was the intensity level? also how was your training volume before the camp?
Thanks

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I see obsessed people.

Well the main point to the training volume was that we could. I had the luxury of living and training like a pro for 16 days. My middle training week was 37 hours.

In terms of my schedule, I have been holding back a bit in Jan/Feb and was looking to this block as the culmination of my base phase. I was slightly behind in volume coming into AZ--not any more.

I can tell you that my FTP has jumped at least 20-25 watts and is pretty close to where I was before IMFL last year. I dropped 7 pounds and now am only 6 pounds over IM weight. I am ready to begin my build/peak phase leading into Eagleman in early June.

I'm very optimistic about how this will turn out--I can feel it in my body....

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Randy Christofferson(http://www.rcmioga.blogspot.com

Insert Doubt. Erase Hope. Crush Dreams.

Are you inferring that if you had 16 days in Tuscon on Feb/March with the sole purpose of training you wouldn't train 35+ hours because you couldn't think of a specific purpose?

I have a question for you. How do you get better at something, especially Ironman? Training, and training a lot would be my answer, what's yours? Why does everything have to be so f'ing structured? The best way to get better at swim, bike, run is to swim, bike, run. Those that can do it the most are the best in my experience.

Thinking along your same lines.
Training and motivation and ability work.
Some day I will........write training in a log, get a watch, get a coach, get a PMeeter,an HRM, WKO/Training.......ooops, wtf, I do not even write shit down, a bike computer, a lactate analyzer.blah. blah.blah

It is SERIOUSLYfun to ask people on the bike or the run "What is the race time? What is our speed? How far are we? Oh and the best one? ................................What is your power!"
seriously, what will I ever do when I stop working out, and start training.......oh well, must save something for the second 28 years of my career. seriously.

No question the huge volume helps a lot--it's kinda easy when you have nothing else to do....the real trick is how to fit it in with the rest of life. Also, to be able to consistently train and not get injured/overtrained....

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Randy Christofferson(http://www.rcmioga.blogspot.com

Insert Doubt. Erase Hope. Crush Dreams.

What was the point of that much volume?(base? peaking?) and what was the intensity level? also how was your training volume before the camp?
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Are you inferring that if you had 16 days in Tuscon on Feb/March with the sole purpose of training you wouldn't train 35+ hours because you couldn't think of a specific purpose?

I have a question for you. How do you get better at something, especially Ironman? Training, and training a lot would be my answer, what's yours? Why does everything have to be so f'ing structured? The best way to get better at swim, bike, run is to swim, bike, run. Those that can do it the most are the best in my experience.
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First:my question was not directed to you so why do you jump in? I asked him politely and got my answer.
Second: No I would not train 35+ hours even if I have all the time in the world because my body won't be able to take it and I would get injured or sick.
Third: As to answer your question you get better at something,especially Ironman, you do not get better by training a lot but by training clever. Otherwise it would be a contest between people who can train the most.
Fourth: obviously your experience about people who can do the most are the best is either misguided or you don't have any experience at all.

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First:my question was not directed to you so why do you jump in? I asked him politely and got my answer.
Second: No I would not train 35+ hours even if I have all the time in the world because my body won't be able to take it and I would get injured or sick.
Third: As to answer your question you get better at something,especially Ironman, you do not get better by training a lot but by training clever. Otherwise it would be a contest between people who can train the most.
Fourth: obviously your experience about people who can do the most are the best is either misguided or you don't have any experience at all.
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1) It's a forum. Am I the first person ever to jump in on a forum?
2) I think you would be suprised at how much work you could do and absorb when it's all you have to worry about. You eat as much as you need, rest between workouts, take naps, and get 8-10 hrs of sleep a night. You are thinking in terms of doing 35 hr. weeks when working 40 hours. Two 35 hour training week this time of year with nothing else to worry about, especially that much cycling can be a big jump start to your long course fitness. It's usually running that breaks us down and you may have noticed the overall run volume was reasonably low.
3) I think most would agree when training for IM hours are hours. You are correct in that quality is very important, but so is quantity especially when referring to IM. Quality is more important for HIM and shorter as we need to go fast in those distances to do well. In IM it's about not slowing down more than going "fast". That's where the quantity comes in pretty handy. LOL I think you would find that the top AG'rs in IM are the ones that do train the most. It's simply what it takes. Period. I'm pretty certain not many people are going to argue with that, except you. One does not get to doing 8 and 9 hour IM's by training 15-20 hrs. per week. Do all the quality you want in that available training window and you will never go 8-9:30. Why do pros train 25-35+ hours/week? It's not because they can, it's because that's what it takes to go 8 hours. If you could do it training 20 hours why would they waste an additional 10-15 hrs. of lifetime per week?
4) I don't need to justify myself to you, but I was in top 100 in my AG last year in USAT rankings and was top 3 in age every race I did last year from sprint to HIM, and 12th in age at IMKY.
All i've discovered in 8 years in this sport is there is no substitute for hard work, and putting in the hours. The more annual hours I put in the better my season is. The flip side of that statement is it's supposed to be fun. This is my hobby. I don't have a coach, or a Power Meter, I own a HRM but the battery is dead. I have enough structure at work 40hrs/week. I don't need more numbers to slave over. Triathlon is play time for me, and I LOVE racing.

Hmmm....how much does that really fast road racer in your shop actually ride? Why would a triathlete doing 3 sports need to ride more than he does???

Hi,

Lang rides 8-10hrs a week
he is cat 1 and is killing the NW USA this year, so far
We will see when NRC races arrive as to how he measures up on a larger stage

I do not have him write my programs, but whether I purposely do it or not,
my riding over the last 24 mos has turned form 10hrs of medium quality/ week
and pretty good (but needs to be better, at my level) results.
To
Right now 7-8hrs/ week of 80% zone 4 and higher, this summer will tell the tale for HIMs and IMs
it is a work in progress.
and Lang is the best tri-cycling program administrator in the Northwestern World.....IMHO (do I detect "ManCrush"?)

TP
Off to the pool to swim with young hotness
Because old non-hotness is less fun.
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