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Yet another LTHR question
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I am a late 40s triathlete. I have been a runner since the age of 16.

In my dotage I have tried to incorporate HR training rather than just running "all out all the time."

I have read books, read the forums, consumed the internet, all in an effort to understand how to set the zones.

I have seen primarily three tests:

LTHR = 95% of average heart rate over 20 minute max effort (following proper warm-up of 10-15 minutes)
LTHR = average heart rate over last 20 minutes of a 30 minute max effort
LTHR = average heart rate over a 30 minute hard effort

These are going to yield really different results, including because heart rate ramps up. In particular, 95% of a 20 minute test is going to be 5% or more lower than the other tests, by definition.

With the "95%" test I get LTHR of 156. With "100% of 30" I get 162. With "Last 20 of 30" I get 166.

My lived experience is that during a hard effort after ramping up for about a mile my HR levels in the mid 160s. 150s is cruising. Low 160s feels like something I can maintain for a while. 165 or so feels like a "red line" that I can maintain for a good amount of time but not forever. If I push over 168 I have to fall back pretty quickly.

My max observed running HR this year is 186 (during run portion of a tri).

I would be grateful for any guidance from the forum about which of these tests (if any) is the correct one!
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [bglackin] [ In reply to ]
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Race a 10k and take your steady state max.
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [mdtrihard] [ In reply to ]
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I've used LTHR = average heart rate over last 20 minutes of a 30 minute max effort.

I'm pretty sure that's Friel's test, maybe someone can correct me.
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [bglackin] [ In reply to ]
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It entirely depends on the training program you’re using. Ideally, the program is based on training zones and those zones are scaled to the test.
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [bglackin] [ In reply to ]
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Call it somewhere between 162 & 166. The reality is at that same velocity on a different day you could get 3 different numbers due to numerous factors.

LTHR (or power for that matter) is not a single number it's around a number.

Anytime I hear a coach/athlete say it's exactly this HR or power number I now shake my head.


I will also admit that many of us, probably including myself, who have been coaching/using power for 15+ years at one point in our coaching career probably thought we could pin it down to a specific number.

Brian Stover USAT LII
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Brian that is really helpful insight.
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Re: Yet another LTHR question [jaretj] [ In reply to ]
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I've seen more than one "Friel's test." In his own book, it's 20 minutes X 95%. Per training peaks and other sources, it's the last 20 of 30.
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