QR has a pretty good sale going on right now. I’ve used the direct-to-consumer method with them and their customer service with getting questions answered and the right parts, paint colors etc has been excellent.

QR has a Kohl's/JCPenny/Rudy feel, imo. Always discounted because the "retail" price is way too high.

The PRsix2 (which look like a P-series level bike to me) with ultegra, shimano throwaway wheels, and FSA cranks is discounted to $7,650. That's just $350 less than the retail price of a P5 or P3x which come with slightly better wheels and Ultegra cranks. At retail price, the QR costs $500 more. I'm surprised QR sells any PRsix bikes at all

I am struggling to make a decision with when to buy AND what to buy.
When: Buy now or wait till something more appealing comes my way?
What: Buy rim brake Trek SC or disc brake cervelo p series or something else?
What: Disc Brake p series 105 mech or ultegra p series disc. or frameset and build up.

I currently have a disc SL6 Tarmac (and love it).

My thoughts overall:
I want to get a bike now so I can start riding and working on aero position. It would likely mostly be a trainer set up for next 3 months and then when spring comes I will have my fit and aero position down. But, I don't love the options out there for disc brakes in my budget. I would like to only spend $3500 or less, but I might be forced to either get the ultegra version of the p series Cervelo. I don't love the fact that they come with ultegra shifters or brakes. Kinda disappointing actually. However, I get it saves on cost.

I previously had a Trek SC and am thinking of either getting a used SC or possibly a new one. If I get a rim brake bike, than I'd probably consider used first as I know I would probably like to jump to a disc version. I fear that Trek will not be producing a disc version. I wish they would just come out and let everyone know if they are or not.

I know that Argon 18 is a candidate, but I don't have a dealer close. Also, the specialized bike is way too much. I don't understand why they don't have a 3.5k-5k option.

So, do I buy a used rim brake SC and use it for 1-2 years, then jump up to disc, or go disc now and either just get a frame and build it up over the next few months, or just jump in on the ultegra version.

Thoughts?

The holdback for me on a TT frame is Di2. The brands that have really clean mechanical setups are all now open mold stuff. Like the PDQ V8 thing. All hidden stuff pretty much.

All the really slick cockpits and frames seem to be Di2. And I can't afford Di2.

So, it is what it is. I won't spend good money to gain nothing over my old frame.

What I think is challenging in the current market is that its hard to tell if companies are slowly abandoning the market like we have seen with Cannondale and effectively Specialized give their decision to not sell anything but a super bike. I would put Scott in the same boat give the price points. Giant and Trek are both have good but old tri frames and I can see them moving to UCI legal TT disc frames to support the pro riders and having a halo-level build as the only Tri option.

If this happens it does pinch the market down to Cervelo, Canyon and few of the other smaller players and will make it a much less competitive market. Really if this happens you want to buy now or are really going to get stung in a few years. The alternative reality might be that Trek and Giant decide to really hit back at the Cervelo p-series market when they do launch new disc TT bikes. If this happens I think the used market will explode with great options along side better value in the new market.

I have no idea which way things are going to swing. I fully believed when Specialized launched the disc Shiv a few year back is was only a matter of time until it trickled down to a $3k option because that is always what happens with these sorts of thins. That certainly has not happened though and it may be an indicator of things to come in the TT bike market.

As someone works in the bike biz, my advice would be to buy now. If you wait until spring it is likely that you will not be able to find the bike that you want. Supply chain challenges in the bike industry are real, and lead times do not appear to be improving soon. A 105 disk bike is a super value. If you can lay your hands on one that fits you, buy it.

Buying now is its own challenge. I'm trying to buy a new road bike. I put a deposit on a 2021 in September. No sign of it yet and nobody seems to know if or when it will become available. Started looking around for alternatives and there is almost nothing out there. Supplies of mid-spec, common sizes are almost non-existent.

Prfive Brutally heavy?

Is there a reason to doubt this info? I’m asking seriously as I don’t know but don’t have any reason to.

http://aerogeeks.com/...o-prfive-first-look/

I think I've narrowed it down to a final 3 for now.

A. Specialized Transition-I found one close to where I will be this weekend and will be checking it out. Seems to be in pristine condition. Sadly, may not be the right size for me. I'll find out Sunday. I used to own one prior to my Trek SC, and really liked it. So, it will depend on fit.

B. Trek SC. Found a decent one which I can get price dropped to a little under 3k possibly. With Di2 and PM. Pretty good price I think. No wheels (Don't need them).

C. New Cervelo P Series for under 3k 105 edition. Disc version. Thinking of getting it, doing the QR stem cap idea (posted by a member on another thread) to get ride of the cable hanging out. Might slowly upgrade brakes to hydralic (if any benefit) and/or shifters to shimano vs. the one it comes with.

I'll keep you posted...

i don't understand the thinking here. the transition and the speed concept are both frames that are 10 years old; still rim brake; at the very end of their life cycles (in fact, past the end). now, when you say transition, i sure hope you mean shiv, because the shiv is the frame design that's 10 years old, and it replaced the transition.

even considering these bikes in the same conversation with the new p series, i don't understand.

Buying now is its own challenge. I'm trying to buy a new road bike. I put a deposit on a 2021 in September. No sign of it yet and nobody seems to know if or when it will become available. Started looking around for alternatives and there is almost nothing out there. Supplies of mid-spec, common sizes are almost non-existent.