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Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!!
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Gidday gang



I was chatting with Joe Santos the other day – he is the bike Magician and owner of Davis Wheelworks. Joe mentioned that two weeks ago he had a customer come in and buy the brand new Cervelo P3 Carbon when there were only eight of these bikes in existence in the United States.



Joe said he tried desperately to talk this customer out of buying this bike but had not luck. Joe asked me to guess what the dude was planning to use this bike for.



Me – Obviously not time trialing or triathlon

Joe - Nope

Me – Century rides?

Joe – Guess again

Me – recreational rides?

Joe – No

Me - Commuting?

Joe – Correct!!



Joe –it gets worse, this guy only commutes one way, guess how he gets his bike home?

Me – on the roof-rack of a friend’s car?

Joe – No

Me – On the train?

Joe – No

Me – on the bike rack on the front of the bus?

Joe – Bingo!

Me – Dear Lord



-mind you having said that, bikes are made to be used and enjoyed and if this dude enjoys commuting on his Cervelo – good for him. Beats driving a stonkin big SUV too and from work.
Cheers, Paul

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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I say party on. Joe is able to put food on his table and keep the lights on in part due to customers like this and Gerard can keep posting here. Yesterday on my bike commute into work I came to a stoplight with a feller on a Scott CR1 frameset, triple crank, and a stack of spacers coupled with a high rise step to accomplish what folks affectionately refer to as the "sit up and beg" position. I could only think about the shop that sold it cringing but loving the big ticket sale.
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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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As an aside: I used to be bitter about the rich old folk having awesome bikes at races, when I would kick their but. I've gradually come to realize (and I am not yet old or rich), that they are the very ones who deserve to have a really sweet bike.
I feel that anyone toiling away at any career that makes one the money to afford these toys, probably deserves them. After all, us young triathletes have the luxury of youth and time, while the hard workers deserve the luxury of carbon and disk wheels.
It makes me very happy to see my very hard-working (but old and slow) father cruising along on his c-40.
While the p3 for commuting is kind of silly, I can understand the compulsion.

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-Mick (in reference to rocky vs. clubber lang)


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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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I think towel rack would be a worse use.

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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I've been through this story before. Some years ago, my dad decides he wants to buy a mountain bike for riding the lake shore path north of Chicago. I sent him to a bike shop with very simple instructions. Pick a bike from of the more well known brands, decide how much you want to spend, and then find a bike you think is cool, so that you'll want to ride it. He calls me the next day to tell me he bought one of the brand new trek one piece carbon fiber full suspension bikes. Shocked, I asked why. He said, "Trek was a brand you mentioned. I have no price range and the bike sure looks cool." So the moral of the story; Enjoy it, if you can.



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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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it sure takes all types.....





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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [Greg/ORD] [ In reply to ]
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commuting on a tri bike sounds rather dangerous to me.

why not buy a top of the line lemond road bike for example?

don't get that choice at all and yes i'm envious.


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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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Way back in the 80's, as a young bike shop salesguy, before carbon and titanium, we had handbuilt steel frames made from Tange Prestige or Columbus SLX. High end, top of the line road racing thoroughbreds. All of us young guys would have to save for a year before we could even afford the frameset let alone an appropriate gruppo for it. My first couple of sales to wealthy, usually overweight, men who just wanted the bike because they always "bought the best in the store" were like pulling teeth for me because I just knew how they were going to be ridden (or not ridden at all only to languish in the summer home garages). My manager/shop owner quickly diabused me of any notion that a customer needed a reason to drop big bucks in our shop.

Then it happened- we sold the bike I was secretly lusting after to a total neophyte (ernest, rich, and probably deserving). He came back in, literally the next day, after ramming into a pipe bollard he didn't see at the end of a local bike trail; down tube squashed, top tube cracked, fork all whanged in. And oh, that Superbe Pro derailleur...just looked like it had been put to a belt sander. Broke my heart right there.

We ordered him a replacement, sold the new frameset to him at our cost, and transferred the parts for free. He was a customer for life.

A P3 for commute duty. He'll need a bell that's for sure; and one of those chainstay kickstands too.

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [u23ITU] [ In reply to ]
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nicely said. I agree, yes it sucks for some young guy training his ass off. But at least this guy rides his bike to work. It's not like he received it through sponsorship, right Gerard?

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [miater] [ In reply to ]
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I actually prefer to commute on my tri bike. TT setups are the most finicky and to really dial in a position (and adjust your body to that position) you need repetition to the extreme. Commuting is exactly that. Also, most of us commute most of the way solo, so a set of aerobars really make things more manageable.

I prefer a road setup for group rides or anything with substantial climbing. And I have my rain road-bike setup with fenders for the few times the roads are damp. But on most days, I ride the tri bike to work.

This week I got to talk to this guy who has a full on airfoiled-out-carbon-fairinged recumbent. It's not a great climber, but the dude could drop me like a bad habit on anything resembling a descent. Pretty amazing. He said he had about 10K into it, and got it after he got sick of commuting on an upright bike. I can understand the appeal of holding 30mph on the flats. I may be too young to deal with the dork factor right now, but someday I might be that old guy, in a full face helmet, dropping young punks just for kicks.

One of my earliest tri mentors once said to me, "the reason you have a bike is to ride it." That was in reference to the SF-SD trip I ended up joining him on where I rode my way-too-big KM40 with an effective seat angle close to 80 degrees.

The way I see it, there really isn't any bad way to use a bike.
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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [theswiss] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]nicely said. I agree, yes it sucks for some young guy training his ass off. But at least this guy rides his bike to work. It's not like he received it through sponsorship, right Gerard?[/reply]

That is indeed not likely. While we have considered a grassroots commuter sponsorship program, it is not yet in place.


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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [u23ITU] [ In reply to ]
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Here is the cycling food chain.

Cycling has a social order as highly developed as any caste system on the planet. But it's a secret. Unfortunately, all was revealed on Rec.Sport.Triathlon some time ago, and I'm the only one courageous
enough to make this highly classified information public. In response to occasional requests to repost this information, I'm placing it here. Now, you only need a web browser to know who to snub.

So, here it is, by popular demand, the Modified Cycling Food Chain. The first attempt left out mountain bikers, an unforgiveable sin. The comprehensive list is the response to a popular uprising from single-trackers.

Modified Cycling Food Chain

Yes, I was remiss in leaving mountain bikers off the list. A fatal mistake. But thinking about where they go unleashed a whole tidal wave of obvious flaws. So, after conducting detailed research, I have created the definitive list for all cycling snobs to provide much-need guidance on Who To Snub Without Remorse. I provide this service to all of you free of charge.

By the way, I don't care if mountain bikes are 60% of the market. If your knobbies have never been off the pavement, then you are The Rest of the World.

Here's the Modified Comprehensive Cycling Food Chain:
bullet Roadies--Pros
bullet MTBers--Pros
bullet Roadies--Cat I/II
bullet Trackies--All, but they must own their own track bike
bullet MTBers--Expert
bullet Triathletes--Elites
bullet Roadies--Cat III/IV
bullet MTBers--Sport
bullet Roadies--Cat V
bullet MTBers--Novice
bullet Triathletes--Age Groupers wearing Speedos in a group ride (plus
all of below)
bullet Triathletes--Age Groupers with forward position, 650 wheels,
aerobars and normal cycling clothing
bullet Triathletes--Age Groupers on normal road bikes with aerobars
bullet Tourists--Loaded, cross-country, self-guided tours
bullet Tourists--Loaded, cross-country, guided tours
bullet Tourists--Loaded, organized vacation group
bullet Tourists--Non-loaded, organized vacation group in mountains
(e.g. Pedal the Peaks)
bullet Tourists--Non-loaded, organized vacation group in mere hills
(e.g. Texas Hill Country Tour)
bullet Tourists--Weekend century riders
bullet Club riders with Fancy Road Bikes
bullet Club riders with Normal Road Bikes
bullet Club riders with Aerobars
bullet Recreational MTBers (off-road only)
bullet Commuters with fenders, panniers, and lights
bullet Commuters with panniers and lights
bullet Commuters on racing bikes
bullet The Rest of the World

Messengers are orthogonal to this ranking.

If you are riding in a group, you gain Obnoxiousness Points for acting
as if you are higher on the list, and Humility Points for acting as if
you are lower on the list. Both points are Bonus Points, depending on
who you are trying to impress.

Now, you must adjust your position based on the following Unspoken
Rules (never read these aloud):

If your bike is Italian, you may move up one notch. If your bike is
British, and you are a tourist, you may move up one notch; otherwise,
you must move down two notches.

If your bike is aero, and you are a triathlete, you may move up one notch.

Move up a notch this year only if you have nine-speed. Move down a
notch for each cog short of eight (nine starting next year). [Editor's
note: It's next year, so subtract one point for each cog short of
nine.]

Move down a notch if you have a triple up front, unless your are a
tourist. If you are tourist and have only two chainrings, then move
down to the Tourists--Weekend Century Rider rank even if you have
panniers.

The Uniqueness Limit allows only two bikes of the same make and model
in any one group. If the limit is exceeded, then all riders of the
offending make and model must move down a notch for each excess bike.

If you have visible scars, you may move up two notches, unless you are
a mountain biker. If you are a mountain biker and have no visible
scars, you must move down one notch. If you have scars in an area that
is not displayable in public, and you can persuade a member of the
opposite sex to admire it, then you can move up two notches, but not
in combination with below.

The above is correlated to the Getting Regular Sex factor. If you are
getting any, and you are male, then move up four notches. Add two more
notches if your partner is in the riding group. Add another notch
still if everyone else is flirting with her. This factor does not
apply if you are married, even if you are getting regular sex. (This
section was not added by me)

If you ride a team jersey for any team you have never joined, then you
must move down two notches. If your jerseys are tattered from use,
then you may move up a notch. If you are a roadie, and wear sleeveless
jerseys, then move down a notch. Drop a notch if your jersey
advertises a brand better than the one you own. Drop four notches if
you are wearing a T-shirt. Drop four notches if you are wearing
non-cycling shorts (unless they are speedos).

If you do not shave your legs, move down three notches.

If you ride Campagnolo, move up a notch, unless it's Record, in which
case move up two notches. If you ride Shimano, move down a notch,
unless it's Dura Ace, which is neutral.

If your bike is titanium, move up two notches. If it is high-end
carbon, move up one notch. If it is aluminum, move down a notch,
unless it's a Felt, in which case you can move up a notch until it
breaks. QR's are neutral, but only for triathletes. If you are a
tourist, and your bike is not steel, move down three notches.

If you have aero wheels, move up a notch, unless you are a tourist, in
which case move down a notch. If you ride tubulars, move up a notch.

If you ride with toe clips, then move to the bottom of the list.

Move up a notch if you train on a fixed gear in the early season. Move
up another notch if you train on a real track bike. [Added recently:
Move up four notches if you ride a fixed gear in the Virginia hills.]

Move down a notch for each stupid question.

Move down four notches if you use the phrase "I'm a triathlete" in any
group of Roadies, Trackies, and/or Club Riders.

Move down a notch for each 15 pounds excess weight,unless you are
wearing a Speedo, in which case move down two notches.

Pronounced cycling-short tan lines move you up a notch, but only in
the Summer. In the Winter, such tan lines move you up two notches.

If, during the application of the above Unspoken Rules, you ever dip
into the The Rest of the World Category, then you must stay there.
Subsequent Bonus Points become null and void. Note that non-roadies
may choose not to participate in the above ranking system. Roadie
participation, however, is required. I hope this detailed approach to
this serious problem will assist all of you in determining who to
snub.
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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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just let me know once your P3Cu@work-commutor sponsorship program is in place :)

Also, Cervelo greatly improved the paint design over the years and I really like the color coordination on the P3C. Are the P3C models in 2006/7/8 coming with different colors? Just curious. thanks.

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [theswiss] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think anything changes in the paint for 2006, we're just getting started.


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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [Acorn] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm...just this morning, after a ride on my road bike (tri bike is in the shop, so this was my first ride on this bike in many months) I was complaining how uncomfortable the fit is since I like my tri fit much better. I'm thinking of turning my road bike into a commuter, but was saying that I should adjust the fit to be more similar to my tri fit to make it more comfortable. Then I laughed thinking how funny I'd look with my forward seatpost, fancy saddle, spinergy xaeros, and a rack and fenders, locking it up outside work. After reading some of these posts, I guess it doesn't matter as long as I'm happy (and, to make myself feel better, I didn't buy this bike to commute on - it was my one and only racing bike for years, and got me through two ironmans, so it has paid its dues). Maybe I'll add that kickstand on too:)

However, I worked in an outdoors shop for one summer, and yes, we all flinched when we'd sell a $300 suunto watch with amazing features to some guy who wanted to know what time it was when he was out at the bar and thought yellow was a cool color for a watch. Same with the gortex jackets so people could walk their dogs and stay dry. As employees we all could barely afford the gear we would actually use, even with our employee discounts, and hated to see someone drop money on the stuff like it was nothing, and we knew they'd never use it the way we would.
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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [PaulC] [ In reply to ]
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Last fall I witnessed the mechanics putting mountain bars, platform pedals and a cushy saddle on a brand new Litespeed Blade. A large part of me wanted to chain myself to the doors and sing protest songs. To this day, I bet that bike hasn't been ridden.

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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what will the Soloist Carbon look like? similar to the P3C? how soon will we be able to place orders?
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We haven't finalized the paint scheme of the Soloist Carbon yet, not that high a priority right now. First we need to get the shape and lay-up perfect.


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>>We haven't finalized the paint scheme of the Soloist Carbon yet, not that high a priority right now. First we need to get the shape and lay-up perfect.<<

You know who said I should test a 51. Dutch orange would be a good color. ;-)

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Well, you know who says he wants his in red by mid-June so he can get some miles on it before the Tour.


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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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*Excellent* colour choice. Hup Hup Holland!

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Re: Worst ever use of a Cervelo - true story!! [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Well he and I don't ride the same size, so get to work!!! ;-)

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