Please explain how a bike is designed to be run off? I think you'll find that all those bikes besides the Specialized Shiv tri models meet the UCI 3:1 rule and are designed as time trial bikes. The Trinity geometry I am sure is very similar to all the other brands.

I have read in the past that the giant TT bike isn’t actually designed with triathlon in mind.

Sure you can do a fast TT but running off sux.

Hoping the experts here can set me straight.

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I think that you have lost your mind.

Seems your not an expert as well. Funny they go alright for Tim Berkel and Sam Appleton to name a few...

I think it comes down to seat angles. Older tt bikes had slack seat angles (73-76degrees). The original p2 and p3 allowed a steep seat angle 76-80 degrees.
These days geometry is more flexible so running off the bike is more about your personal geometry.
A true triathlon bike these days refers to non UCI legal designs like dimond, andean or P5x.

He used to work for a bike manufacturer and is just trolling.

Do they? How many Ironman’s have either won?

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Well... Sam Appleton has won like 10 70.3's. Van Berkel has won several 70.3's and I think an Ironman regional championship soooo....

What are you getting at? Just come out with it.

People used to say (what like 10-15 years ago?) that tri bikes were designed to use different muscles and help you run better but it was really just a misunderstanding of how UCI rules limited saddle position to something that would not be ideal if that rule didn't exist. But UCI legal TT bikes do allow for those saddle positions. The bike itself is not a limiter. And at any rate I don't think a too-slack seat tube angle necessarily makes you run slower off the bike.

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My point is the giant isn’t designed to run off. It’s designed to ride fast.

And my question still is, what TT bikes are more suitable to run off than others?

And finally, maybe Sam and Tim have never run Ironman’s because their bike position effects their run times and hence why they can’t win Ironman’s. Even cherrypicked races can’t be won by them.

Despite all that. I’m more interested in point 2 rather than getting into Sam and Tim.

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Ok, so what exactly is it about the giant's design that makes it bad to run off of?

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Yeah I see you point. Obviously would have won so much more had they ridden a triathlon bike. I'll send them the memo...

https://www.timberkel.com/results/


https://samappleton.com/results/

Did you make a bike fit ?

What pad stack / reach are you looking for ?
What saddle position are you looking for ? Some tri athlete go very steep, some other don't

Regarding bikes :
most bikes will accommodate the seat position you are looking for (whatever height, angle)
some bikes will accommodate your pad reach / stack, and the others can accommodate for other peoples (because.... peoples are different... what a surprise)

The way you adjust your position and the way you train will have much more importance than the brand on the bike frame.

Consider your objectives, your physical constraints, your position preference, then choose a bike accordingly.

The real question is : "what is the right position FOR ME to run after bike ?".
This is personal..... leading to... "bike fit".... especially as you are apparently not an expert.

x2...i have never heard of any real tri bike or tt bike being 'hard to run off'. Position maybe, but not the bike itself

You are batshit crazy

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I appreciate your patient, kind, thorough answer. Not sure if the OP was trolling, but you answered him very well.

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The seat’s too high.

Ludicrous. Can you produce any valid documentation that states your point?

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I, for one, completely agree with the OP. I must keep buying TT bikes, because I can never run well after riding them.

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What characteristics of the bike make you believe this ? Seat angle ? Reach? Stack ?

The issue here is that your point of contention isn't really based on any clear argument, is it?

The only argument I have ever hear about TT bikes and running was based on slack (73-74deg) seat tube angle. Slowman was the first (or one of the first) people to integrate a steeper (77-80deg) seat tube angle in his bikes using the claim that steeper angles would reduce hip angle, recruit different muscle groups, and as a result, reduce fatigue on the run.

Given the difference in angle, some TT bikes have been considered to be more or less of a trip specific bike. But having a look at the Giant Trinity, the seat angle is 77deg and in the range of what the industry would call a steep angle that is good for running off the bike. Older Trinity bikes had a variable seat angle (75-78deg) and perhaps the idea that it could be set up 'slack' led to the belief that they weren't designed to be run off.

So, to answer your question. Seat angle has been historically associated with suitability for running. look for TT bikes with >77deg seat tubes.

So how about you just put your name in your signature so we can check your shit for you shit opinion?

All bikes are designed to ride fast, or that's the hope. You can't really design them to be able run off them. Saying your bike is designed to be run off vs another is just some snake oil.

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Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

My problem is that I can’t ride well after swimming. Someone once suggested I actually needed to train for the swim. I didn’t like that idea and concluded the problem was definitely the bike.

I would agree, there is a serious lack of innovation in “off the swim” bike design.

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