Just ordered a Bolt so they either need to release an update this week or wait a while so I feel better about it.

Yes that would suck of they release one in two weeks or something

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Been wondering the same... still using my 2014 KICKR and contemplating an upgrade. We seem to be on in the 2 yr refresh cycle here but I've also been well trained by Apple on this front, so maybe expecting a KICKR 2020 isn't realistic.

Innovation in smart trainers will be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Wahoo has gone quiet and I doubt it will launch anything soon. My guess is a Kickr 5 at some point but not sure it will be compelling enough for an upgrade for those with a 3 or 4. Maybe for those owning a Snap

The Bolt is certainly I erdue for an upgrade at minimum....I don't expect anything revolutionary on the trainer front....but if the Climb version 2 is cheaper that would be good as would be the headwind.

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Wahoo comparatively to Garmin is a small company. Doing things outside of their wheelhouse could hurt them in the marketplace. They've submitted and withdrawn several FTC applications for their watch, which they've previously called the Rival. Dan says don't expect it any time soon. I think if/when they do enter the GPS watch marketplace it will be with a premium unit since most of Wahoos products are premium products. But I've been on this site as a commenter for 2.5 years and there's always an oo or an ah whenever Wahoo farts in the direction of a watch.

They just released a full on indoor smart bike. That's what's RIGHT NOW, and that requires a lot of attention. I don't know if they were developing that and the watch side by side under different teams. I just don't get the whole watch conversation (I love my kickr, it just works).

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Smart Treadmill.

On the official Wahoo Instagram account they responded me that they have no plans to release a sport watch right now.

Well that makes sense although I was hoping otherwise. Anyway they are probably busy with trainers, headwind, climb, bolt, suffer fest and speedplay...thats enough i guess 😁

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I suspect the next products in the line are lower end climb and headwinds. The aim would be sell package deals with a Core+Climb+Headwind for something like the price of the highest end trainer on the market. Some time in further in the future we may see a lower spec Wahoo smart bike but I'm not convinced.

Wahoo's success has been built on developing a product that is priced way above anything currently on the market, convincing people to buy them and then producing lower models to really cash in. If I remember correctly the Kickr Climb was ~$1000 when it first announced it and even they weren't convinced anyone would buy one. They have successfully built a market now and, keeping in mind the climb is a brilliant way to sell Kickr's in additional to making money on its own, I suspect the market is ripe for a 'Kickr Climb Core'. Same story with the fan. Stupid expensive but they have the hype to exploit if they lower the price.

I don't see how you can utilize this same model in the GPS world. Garmin already makes the MARQ as and Edge 1030 at eye watering price points and its hard to out premium the existing market. So I don't see much of a reason for Wahoo to hit hard into the GPS watches or other head units.

I want them to release a rocking base like Saris except make it half the price. Then I will buy one to go with my Kickr.

They have a massive problem with their bike computers. I suspect they expected a big reception with the ROAM, but Garmin redefined the market with the 530 and 830. Then, Garmin down-prided their legacy products to undermine the Bolt. Wahoo was clearly skating to where the puck used to be. That is not a quick fix.

Their trainers are still best in class. It is a personal preference battle between Wahoo and Tacx. Even Tacx’s last couple updates were meh. This category seems like it is leveling out. Everything I have read seems to indicate the Core and KICKR trainers are long past their initial release glitches.

Funny i was thinking a lower priced headwind and climb is just the thing and a package deal correctly prices would fly off the virtual shelves.

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I am still wondering what they will do with Speedplay? That always seemed like an odd aquisitiin to me. My only guess would be that they plan on entering the fit bike market using a version of their trainer bike with more adjustable seat and handlebars. Adding the most adjustable pedal system out there would fill the third contact point.

Speedplay powder meter is one option.

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I would love to see that happen - is there a tentative timeline or just pure rumor at this point?

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Check out Inside Ride's Kickr E-Flex. I've had one for about 2 weeks now, absolutely love it - and it's much cheaper than Saris' rocker.

Rumor.....thats the expectation though.

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If a Speedplay PM happens, I would bet on an acquisition to get the technology. Wahoo does not have any PM products, and they are generally light on sensors and experience. Speedplay only has 25 employees. DCR's interview probably setup the rumor and hope:

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/...er-pedal-future.html

Interesting. I'd say that Bolt is the most popular cycling computer where I live by quite a margin. I don't know anyone with an 830 and hardly see any 530s. My wife still has a 520, but the battery can barely survive an ironman leg anymore. On the flip side, by Elemnt needs to be charged once about every other week. The wahoo UX is about 100x better than the 500s, 520s, and 820s i've owned. IMO the Wahoos are ugly, but the performance is much better than any garmin I've used. I don't plan on ever buying another garmin product if i can help it.

The BOLT has a strong following, and it was a segment killer in 2017. But Garmin's 2019 product updates re-framed the competitive landscape.

When Wahoo released the ELEMNT, their competition was the Garmin 1000. It was a premium (for Wahoo) product that offered a strong alternative to the Garmin at a much better price. Its larger screen was a compelling alternative to the smaller Garmin 520 and 810 units available at the time. Then, Wahoo introduced the BOLT which offered great features and undercut the price of the 520. It was another category killer.

When Wahoo planned its ROAM introduction with its in-between screen size, I suspect they thought it would be the leader in the smaller screen product segment and put Garmin's 5xx and 8xxx products on their heels. However, a couple weeks before, Garmin released their 530 and 830 products with larger screens and major feature improvements from their predecessor models. The ROAM is at a competitive feature disadvantage with the 530, yet it is priced $80 higher-- only $20 below the 830 with its killer touch screen UI.

Garmin has the Edge Explore and 520 Plus that it can use as weapons to box-in Wahoo and control the entry-level product space.

After going from the Garmin 820 to the Wahoo Bolt it would take a lot for me to consider going Garmin. The Bolt has been more reliable, has a better battery life, easier to read display while riding, easier to edit (because of the phone app), better mapping, post ride metrics are just as good if not better, easier to connect with power meters and other devices. The only thing it was missing was Varia integration, but now it does that just as good as Garmin.

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Hopefully they are working on supporting short cranks...