Why would you f with vaping at all if you value your lungs for endurance sports?

What’s the best case scenario? you get good n baked but it doesn’t do any long term damage?

Now, what’s the worst case?

Seems like an asymmetrical risk/reward to me...

Well said. If you have a pain in your ass, go to a real doctor. Don't f-up your lungs.

Do. Not. Vape.

I don’t use the “I’m a doctor, listen to me” card very often, but I’m an anesthesiologist who covers our state burn unit. I’ve seen 3 patients in the last year whose vape devices exploded. One had it combust in his jeans pocket, so he got his entire thigh skin grafted. The other 2 had theirs explode while vaping, so they now have skin grafts to their neck and face.

Please don’t vape.

I know a guy who’s a pretty good cyclist that has smoked thc his entire life, and no issue

Shut up. My retirement depends on more Americans getting high. Keep on puffing, vaping, eating, drinking, rubbing whatever glorious cannabis products you can find all over and inside your body people! When the worst side effect is an 18650 battery going nuclear, you know it's safer than alcohol.

Lots of ultra runners are using thc and cbd, of course there are other ways to take it beside vape. You can make a tincture or edibles

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Yeah. Back in the old days I enjoyed getting and staying high all the time. Glad to see the world finally coming around to the facts of the effects of the plant, rather than just falling for the propaganda that was instrumental in creating legislation that destroyed individual freedoms and personal responsibility in order to throw minorities in jail for non-violent, victimless crimes, and boost funding to asshat, unconstitutional government agencies, while inadvertently creating some of the most violence cartels in the world, just across the border.

Just blanket saying "there is no medical use for a substance" and not investigating it's potential to relieve pain, increase appetite in cancer patients...etc. is hubris of the highest order. Meanwhile, politicians, CEOs, and doctors line their pockets from the pharmaceutical companies that created a nation-wide opioid addiction crisis. 🙄

Not gonna lie though, I'm not a fan of smelling pot every10 minutes walking around any legalized city with my family. But, it's less offensive than the smell of tobacco imo.

Unfortunately any positive effects of a drug are always negated by the asshats that do dumb shit while under the effect of the drug, like drive a vehicle and kill someone.

You forgot to make your text pink. No way that’s a real comment.

Nah. Dead serious. Vaping got me off cigarettes after smoking tobacco for 12 years. Then I was able to ween myself off nicotine by lowering the dosage little by little until I was done. Vaping improved my life dramatically after failing to quit with the assistance of medical professionals multiple times. I was able to free myself of addiction thanks to vaping. I recommend any tobacco smoker to try vaping as a alternate tobacco cessation method. There are ways to minimize the associated risk of vape, so it is a much preferable alternative to smoking tobacco.

When the most risky thing about it cheaply produced Lithium Ion Battery failure or ODing on nicotine absorbed through the skin, I'd say that's a pretty great trade off for avoiding inhaling tobacco smoke that is proven to cause cancer.

Ahhh. The “vaping got me off cigarettes” theory. As if vaping is somehow better for you than smoking cigarettes. And by the way....the battery exploding is one of MANY side effects of vaping.

I know of a Yugoslavian air hostess that fell from 30.000 feet after her plane blew up, survived, and lived to her mid 60s. However my advice would be not to fall 30.000 feet from exploding aeroplanes.

I always encourage people to smoke weed and by lottery tickets to pay my kids way through college. Gotta love the tax/scholarship system. Smoke away my friend.

(I on the other hand will never smoke a damn thing)

Why?

THC can distract you from pain, make boring stuff easier, and might reduce inflammation. CBD also seems to reduce inflammation. I think most people who use it are claiming it helps with recovery.

Both can be used without having to inhale anything. Tinctures and edibles are readily available.

I don't vape and I'm not tempted to try but I don't think you are being logical about this. I think that most agree that crazy "theory" that vaping carries less risk than smoking is correct, the European Heart Journal among them.

https://academic.oup.com/...e/41/28/2612/5875664
"Is vaping as dangerous as tobacco smoking? Certainly not"

Vaping has its risks and its own issues (like kids being attracted to it) but it also has upside if it means not smoking, THC included. The battery explosion thing is nasty and maybe that suggests need for better regulation on devices. It's still less of a risk than smoking a pack a day one would think?

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One British journal article. What a mountain of evidence. I’m certainly not going to debate medical literature on ST. I’ll stick with the multiple lectures/articles/etc I’ve encountered that suggest the opposite is true. To each their own.

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Except that cheap stuff everybody is buying (see the OP) contains toxins and other impurities. No regulations and control.
Scientific work is mostly using lab-grade THC, which almost nobody has access to. Totally irrelevant.

Besides,
weed smoke makes me more nauseous than cigarette smoke (Seriously sick, actually)
And yeah, in spirit of a clean competition, it’s cheating.

This is a fairly controversial topic, but i'll do my best to share my knowledge. I have worked as a chemist in a medical MJ facility, handling the extraction and production of all products, from dry material to oils, edibles and distillates. My background is in biochem and organic chemistry...

For emphasis and to reference my views here, always use dry plant material when administering dosages. The commercial oil products put into pens (not dabs, shatter or distillates) are cut with synthetic, processed oils. It is these oils used to dilute and 'cut' products is what causes the harmful effects seen in both MJ and nicotine products.

If you are going to vape, always use dry plant material out of a well certified device (even if you have to spend up). The oil we put into vape pens or sold for use in vape pens was cut with a variety of compounds that I didn't entirely agree with. It was, quite literally, whatever was cheapest at the time. Glycol's and various 'MCT oil's' were used primarily. For oral ingestion, they're fine, but not for inhalation. (Glycol's are used in almost all legal CBD products).

Dabs, shatter and distillates are safe, as they are the pure extract oil uncut. From the facility I worked at, we used CO2 to extract the oils from plant material, and ethanol to dissolve it for purification. Many facilities use propane or butane instead of CO2, but I wouldn't find that to be harmful. There would be very little, if any left over and it's not that unsafe to consume.

As for health from general inhalation...inhaling oils of any kind is going to be 'harmful'. Oils are sticky, they will stick to the bronchial tubes and alveoli, and they will to a certain degree inhibit absorption of oxygen and degrade cilia. You will encounter some minor, short term respiratory issues after inhaling. Cilia will numb, mucus production will increase, inflammation will occur from the irritation from the vapor. It's the nature of the act, vaping attempts to decrease the intensity of these effects.

Comparable to smoking, it's dramatically better for lung function. Smoking, alongside carcinogen inhalation, has a lot more oils ('tar') and does significantly more damage. Vaping is easy on the lungs by comparison and seems to not have many of the long term damaging effects that smoking has.

Does vaping degrade performance? In my personal opinion, not to any reasonable degree from a respiratory function standpoint. Vaping dry plant material from a good device seems to be very safe. Not inhaling anything ever at all is obviously better, but there's only one true way to use MJ products in a viable manner. Edibles are there, but there's many factors relating to edibles that affect absorption, longevity, and are fairly inconvenient. Edibles aren't a reliable, convenient method of administering this product, but yes, it is of course the safest.

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It is prepackaged distillates I’ve used. Like I said, despite a few years of doing this, I had no noticeable effects until recently. Could be mental, could be that. I usually use tinctures but will take a puff occasionally. A gram
Cartridge last me 3-4 months easily.

Interestingly it was here a few years back where a thread said vaping it was better than smoking it. Just couldn’t find that thread.

I’m not going to lie, thc has improved the lives of everyone around me. I’m not the same asshole I used to be under my last user name (theforge) ;).

About 17 months ago, there was an outbreak of a condition called E-cigarette and Vaping-Associated Lung Injury (EVALI), confined ONLY to those who vaped THC. Manufacturers cut the oil with vitamin E acetate, and this additive caused severe lung injuries and some deaths. After the additive was removed, there were few injuries.

The point is to say that these products aren’t regulated, and who knows what goes into those.

Controversial topic with a lot of expectedly silly replies but I have been testing this recently. I smoke almost daily and found that it is the least damaging “vice” an endurance athlete can have. Alcohol is much worse imo, I’ve been using a thc vape recently and found it has very little effect on my cardio. I was making sure to do a bit more than usual the days before a long run since running is the one that tells me my current condition the best and surprisingly had some of my best long runs the mornings after even with faster miles mixed in. Im obviously not a doctor but figured my anecdotal test may be useful. If I smoke dry flower I try to stay away from tobacco papers but even with that my condition is usually unaffected. The only downside I’ve found is the uncontrollable munchies....

Genuinely curious of those that use THC products (not CBD) where you stack in the pack of an Oly, 70.3, or 140.6 distance race. I really have a hard time believing that someone that specifically inhales a foreign substance regularly is at the pointy end. But I my be arrogant thinking this, which I probably am....

This is coming from someone who never smoked, but chewed tobacco like a SOB until 10 years ago...