Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [trail] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:30

Post #101 of 209 (6722 views)

trail wrote:

cartsman wrote:

Porte and Thomas would be team leaders themselves if they were at another team,

Porte, maybe. You're reaching on Thomas. He might be a leader on a classics race, not on a Grand Tour. As for you comment on Valverde: the winner always gets more scrutiny. Absolutely no one is going to go to the mat defending Valverde as clean.

Porte has had this shots at being a leader for a grand tour....he folds like a pop tent in a hurricane every time.

GT's just ain't his bag....

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:36

Post #102 of 209 (6680 views)

Seriously though how the heck does Froome keep such a cadence for soooo long? Holy smokes call me crazy, but that was an exciting stage!!

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Bigringonly] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:36

Post #103 of 209 (6680 views)

Bigringonly wrote:

....do you look at the elevation chart and say...."Dat ain't no mountain!....I run up sh!t bigger than that?!?!"

Hahaha, after my bonk experience at Worlds, I think I only have the authority to say I walk up sh!t bigger than that :)

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:42

Post #104 of 209 (6636 views)

WADA be like

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [ErickBar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:42

Post #105 of 209 (6631 views)

ErickBar wrote:

Seriously though how the heck does Froome keep such a cadence for soooo long?

See post #64

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:46

Post #106 of 209 (6602 views)

Sky's recovery day protocol is something special. I mean, every rider had a bad day but two Sky guys. Remarkable.

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:48

Post #107 of 209 (6585 views)

The thought of watching Froome convulse his way up every mountain stage from here to Paris is enough to makes sleeping in a good option.

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 8:53

Post #108 of 209 (6555 views)

He has to be the most miserable looking rider ever. Can't stand watching him ride, regardless of his natural (or injected) talent.

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Jewbaru] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:07

Post #109 of 209 (6470 views)

Here's to hoping for an ill timed mechanical on a mountain stage

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [CB3] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:08

Post #110 of 209 (6461 views)

And the Tour is now over, well it was a fun week. Looking forward to 2016

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [4Ring] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:19

Post #111 of 209 (6403 views)

4Ring wrote:

And the Tour is now over, well it was a fun week. Looking forward to 2016

Well...at least the points competition is green hot!

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:25

Post #112 of 209 (6369 views)

Power13 wrote:

This is what annoys me to no end....the key to getting a close race is not to make a hard course, but one where you keep more riders in the mix.

Have the first day after the rest day be a mid-mountain stage w/o a summit finish. Have the first summit finish to be a less challenging summit so the race doesn't blow apart. Work your way up to a MF'er stage.

I'm not advocating this in order to make the race easier, I am saying this to make the race more compelling over the 3 week period. Now we are just looking to see who falters "worse" and drops out of podium contention. No one is gonna attack now and will ride defensively. (OK, maybe AC or Quintana will attack, but AC is more likely to go further back before he can go forward).

In the grand scheme of things that would be just about as boring. It would only be a matter of reversing the boredom and excitement. In that scenario, nothing would happen until the epic day. Everyone would ride defensively conserving to the end. So it'd be two weeks of boring with one epic day. This year we got the epic day out of the way early and are now on to the boring. I guess in your scenario there'd have been more build up and anticpation.

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [frrome] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:27

Post #113 of 209 (6359 views)

well, since its down to podium picking, i want Gallopin and Gesink. Gallopin has been pretty stoudt all week and Gesink put up a fight today.
and Teejay too, he just doesn't quite have it.

1 Froome
2 Teejay.. 02' 52''
3 Quintana 03' 09''
4 Valverde 04' 01''
5 Thomas ..04' 03''
6 Contador 04' 04''
7 Gallopin 04' 33''
8 Gesink.. 04' 35''

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [logella] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:32

Post #114 of 209 (6333 views)

logella wrote:

Power13 wrote:

This is what annoys me to no end....the key to getting a close race is not to make a hard course, but one where you keep more riders in the mix.

Have the first day after the rest day be a mid-mountain stage w/o a summit finish. Have the first summit finish to be a less challenging summit so the race doesn't blow apart. Work your way up to a MF'er stage.

I'm not advocating this in order to make the race easier, I am saying this to make the race more compelling over the 3 week period. Now we are just looking to see who falters "worse" and drops out of podium contention. No one is gonna attack now and will ride defensively. (OK, maybe AC or Quintana will attack, but AC is more likely to go further back before he can go forward).

In the grand scheme of things that would be just about as boring. It would only be a matter of reversing the boredom and excitement. In that scenario, nothing would happen until the epic day. Everyone would ride defensively conserving to the end. So it'd be two weeks of boring with one epic day. This year we got the epic day out of the way early and are now on to the boring. I guess in your scenario there'd have been more build up and anticpation.

Go back and look at some of Vueltas from the 90's where they had shorter stages with smaller mountains, etc. Racing was exciting and dynamic....

You actually have MORE riders attacking because the stages are not as brutally hard and more people are in with a shout.

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:33

Post #115 of 209 (6327 views)

I totally picked the wrong Yates twin for my velogames team....

Don't forget to unclip!

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:36

Post #116 of 209 (6307 views)

Power13 wrote:

Go back and look at some of Vueltas from the 90's where they had shorter stages with smaller mountains, etc. Racing was exciting and dynamic....

You actually have MORE riders attacking because the stages are not as brutally hard and more people are in with a shout.

You also had every team using "high octane" doping so that attacks and recovering from those attacks were possible.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:45

Post #117 of 209 (6262 views)

BLeP wrote:

Power13 wrote:

Go back and look at some of Vueltas from the 90's where they had shorter stages with smaller mountains, etc. Racing was exciting and dynamic....

You actually have MORE riders attacking because the stages are not as brutally hard and more people are in with a shout.

You also had every team using "high octane" doping so that attacks and recovering from those attacks were possible.

FFS, go watch any race down to a Cat. V race. Less selective courses makes for more animated racing....more selective courses only ensure the stronger riders win by more time. This ain't rocket science....

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [matt_cycles] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:47

Post #118 of 209 (6255 views)

I can't believe what I've just seen, they're not even trying to hide it...
On another note did anyone see in the leaked Froome Ventoux data how little his HR increased during massive attacks (Mech doping?)

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:47

Post #119 of 209 (6254 views)

funny how everyone focuses their doping jokes on Froome today. Up till recently it was Astana. With 8k to go you could make an argument that Movistar was the dopers as they shredded the field.

/whatever

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [cartsman] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:47

Post #120 of 209 (6253 views)

Serious question - what doping could produce this level of performance yet remain undetected? Is there a plausible doping program or are we just using the term in general?

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:51

Post #121 of 209 (6217 views)

we know micro-dosing can go undetected

we don't know what we don't know - so its not beyond the realm of possibility that there are means of doping without being detected, or what, if any, new products might be used to accomplish that

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Orbilius] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:52

Post #122 of 209 (6209 views)

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:52

Post #123 of 209 (6202 views)

FFS, go watch any race down to a Cat. V race. Less selective courses makes for more animated racing....more selective courses only ensure the stronger riders win by more time. This ain't rocket science....

Indeed!

The bad news ( or good news depending on your view) is that the race for the Yellow jersey is over. Barring disaster, Froome has it! The good news is that it does look to be a possibly tight and intriguing race for the other two spots on the podium with just 3 minutes separating 2nd through 10th place on GC!

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Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Jason N] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 9:59

Post #124 of 209 (6164 views)

Yeah but Movistar fell off after those efforts, which Sky covered. And the fact that Porte set up Froome's move, and then recovered to finish 2nd, is hard to overlook.

Re: Tour de France Stage 10 Thread - first mountain of the Tour. [Armstronium] [ In reply to ]

Jul 14, 15 10:17

Post #125 of 209 (6079 views)

Armstronium wrote:

I totally picked the wrong Yates twin for my velogames team....

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