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The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st !
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OK, it is not Triathlon
But there is "2019 Classic Thread" :-)

The team is bough by a(nother) rich englisman

http://www.cyclingnews.com/...am-ineos-from-may-1/

Team kit will change.
Any other changes ?
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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And it’s going to have a huge budget. How long before there’s a team budget cap in cycling?
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Pyrenean Wolf wrote:

Any other changes ?

Since Ineos is in the oil industry, team motors will be gas powered from now on...

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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I know this is really Lavender Room material, but this little gem from the article linked in the OP was really too precious not to be noticed:
"Ratcliffe, a prominent backer of Brexit, has moved to Monaco in order to save up to £4 billion in tax."
Yay patriotism! :-)
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Let's bet for the new team colors

Looking at their web site, I see 3 possibilities :

1) company America's cup boat is Black/White/Red : could be the same.

maybe they could also push their 2 sports programs for kids

2) one logo is pink/green/blue

3) other logo is pink/green/yellow

https://www.ineos.com

Or : black + some white & red, showing the 2 logos of their sport program (would make sense to push them)
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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If they wanted to keep him (and others like him), they should have lowered his taxes. This is what happens when class envy demands confiscatory taxation of the rich. (The rich have the money to move, if they want.) I'm not sure I would enjoy Monaco, but if it meant keeping 4 billion? I would load the moving van before sundown! I can't fault the guy for leaving.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [FlashBazbo] [ In reply to ]
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FlashBazbo wrote:
If they wanted to keep him (and others like him), they should have lowered his taxes. This is what happens when class envy demands confiscatory taxation of the rich. (The rich have the money to move, if they want.) I'm not sure I would enjoy Monaco, but if it meant keeping 4 billion? I would load the moving van before sundown! I can't fault the guy for leaving.

What, to zero? Because that's what Monaco's personal income tax rate is, provided residents abide by the "6 months + 1 day" rule.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [FlashBazbo] [ In reply to ]
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FlashBazbo wrote:
If they wanted to keep him (and others like him), they should have lowered his taxes. This is what happens when class envy demands confiscatory taxation of the rich. (The rich have the money to move, if they want.) I'm not sure I would enjoy Monaco, but if it meant keeping 4 billion? I would load the moving van before sundown! I can't fault the guy for leaving.


The irony, as you may appreciate, lies in the fact that Mr. Ratcliffe so strongly advocated for the UK to leave the EU, only to then pack up and leave for greener pastures in a place that is part of [gasp!] the Schengen Area and the EURO zone the brexiteers despise so much.
But you are quite right of course, he and others like him won't be the ones who will have to pay the price for the idiocy they helped initiate.
Last edited by: malte: Mar 20, 19 5:48
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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This is an international team, not a British team. So what is the problem with Mr Ratcliffe living in Monaco???

I congratulate the team management on finding a new sponsor so quickly and without the stresses that several other world tour teams have had in this process recently.

And finally, I find myself admiring Jim Ratcliffe for spending his money supporting two of his passions in life - sailing and cycling - good on him, self made man, let him spend his money as he sees fit.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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Totally agree, which of us wouldn't be packing our bags for the much money..seriously people.

I find the fuss over the shock horror...petro chemical angle quite amusing since we already have various governments with questionable human rights records, a mining company and a Russian mining conglomerate involved in cycling. Take your fake outrage elsewhere people.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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CG99 wrote:
This is an international team, not a British team. So what is the problem with Mr Ratcliffe living in Monaco???
Nothing at all. My observation had nothing to do with Mr. Ratcliffes sponsoring a cycling team. He can spend his money any which way he likes.
I merely found it ironic that someone who is such a strong proponent of Brexit performs his own personal exit from Brexit and settles in the EUROzone, of all places.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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malte wrote:
FlashBazbo wrote:
If they wanted to keep him (and others like him), they should have lowered his taxes. This is what happens when class envy demands confiscatory taxation of the rich. (The rich have the money to move, if they want.) I'm not sure I would enjoy Monaco, but if it meant keeping 4 billion? I would load the moving van before sundown! I can't fault the guy for leaving.


The irony, as you may appreciate, lies in the fact that Mr. Ratcliffe so strongly advocated for the UK to leave the EU, only to then pack up and leave for greener pastures in a place that is part of [gasp!] the Schengen Area and the EURO zone the brexiteers despise so much.
But you are quite right of course, he and others like him won't be the ones who will have to pay the price for the idiocy they helped initiate.

In french we say : "les conseilleurs ne sont pas les payeurs"
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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Froome and Thomas are also leaving in Monaco. if I remember well :-)

So it is a Monegasque team
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [russ] [ In reply to ]
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russ wrote:
Take your fake outrage elsewhere people.


Oh shoot, not allowed to have faux outrage? Can I have a bemused ironic smirk over Sky's anti-plastic ocean cleanup campaign last year complete with marine mammals on kit. And now being owned by a plastics company. The link proposes cutting down on plastic use. Somehow I'm guessing team Ineos won't be participating again.


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We're asking you to be a #Oceanhero and swap out single use plastic from your life.




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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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Please, please, please leave any mention of Brexit out of this forum, I th8nk everybody is very bored of that topic..........Jim Ratcliffe is very welcome to his political perspectives, but let’s all try to forget about politics when talking about sport.

We should all thank him for saving one of the greatest world tour teams and for being willing to spend a big chunk of his hard earned cash every year for the foreseeable on a sport we all love.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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CG99 wrote:
We should all thank him for saving one of the greatest world tour teams and for being willing to spend a big chunk of his hard earned cash every year for the foreseeable on a sport we all love.

I don't mind (excepting my sarcasm above). But I think it'll be good for the health of professional cycling if it could get away from dependence on affluent vanity-celebrity sponsorships. James Murdoch, Nasser bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Rihs, Oleg Tinkov et al.

I'd prefer that it be supported more by grass-roots long-term business relationships. I'm not sure if it'll ever get there. But it'd be nice.

So it's great that cyclists will get their paychecks. But I'm not going to thank the celebrity for being a "savior."
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Kiatkowski lives in Monaco.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [trail] [ In reply to ]
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For sure, no more anti-plastics marine mammals on the kit this year :-)

Promoting sports for kids (2 programs, as per their website) is more politically correct and I would bet on this (as side comm programs)
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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how much do you pay in taxes? I pay up to 40% and unfortunately dont have the resources to move to monaco, just trying to see why he should be allowed to spend his money as he likes and I cant..
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [cantswim24] [ In reply to ]
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Welcome to the real world!

He is a self made man, has undoubtedly worked hard and paid his taxes along the way - if I was in his position I would also be in Monaco reducing my tax bill and having some fun spending some of my billions on some very interesting sports teams. We are all jealous for sure, it is the stuff of dreams, but just because we don’t have what he has it doesn’t mean we should bag him for it.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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Oooh I love the term self made. Did he not profit off of NHS, well educated people from public schools, infrastructure? Did no one help him along the way who also benefited him? I could give a rates arse about him partnering with Sky. Frankly, I like them. The self made term is so wrong though.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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malte wrote:
I know this is really Lavender Room material, but this little gem from the article linked in the OP was really too precious not to be noticed:
"Ratcliffe, a prominent backer of Brexit, has moved to Monaco in order to save up to £4 billion in tax."
Yay patriotism! :-)

I wonder if Ratcliffe realizes that he will have to give up his British citizenship to stay in Monaco ?

and of course he isn't a self-made man, his entire enterprise and personal wealth depends upon the rule of law that the little people left behind in the UK are still paying for with their taxes.
He grew up in a council house - that is, public housing subsidized by the taxes paid by the little people. He graduated from University of Birmingham, a public research university - that is, a school which is funded with the taxes paid by the little people. Nothing in his life would have been possible without other people's money and support.
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [doug in co] [ In reply to ]
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It seems that some bitter, twisted and very ill informed (FYI you don’t have to give up your UK citizenship to be a tax resident in another tax jurisdiction - I should know, because I pay my taxes in a country where I am not a citizen) socialists have taken this thread way off the track!
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [malte] [ In reply to ]
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malte wrote:
I know this is really Lavender Room material, but this little gem from the article linked in the OP was really too precious not to be noticed:
"Ratcliffe, a prominent backer of Brexit, has moved to Monaco in order to save up to £4 billion in tax."
Yay patriotism! :-)


Course he wants Brexit. No more nasty restrictive EU environmental legislation to have to meet in a fundementally dirty industry.

Cadmium ? Yep put in kids toys.
Asbestos ? Wonder material let's use it EVERYWHERE.
Dumping waste in rivers and seas. What's the problem with that ? Thw Victorians did it. Never did them any harm.
Raw sewerage into the sea just 200yds off the beach ? Something to chew on when swimming.

And lots more things the EU stopped Britian doing.

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Forgot to mention hes got fracking rights to swathes of England.
No wonder he's moved to Monaco - he's not going to want to be drinking water that's been poisoned by his company's activities, or food stuffs with toxins that too.
Last edited by: BobAjobb: Mar 20, 19 14:53
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Re: The end of "Team Sky" : now "Team Ineos", from May 1st ! [CG99] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently... everyone is not bored of Brexit. Personally, I find the Jim "self-made man" Ratcliffe irony a fun new approach to thinking about Brexit. Icing on the cake that he's taking over a team that last year publicized the issue with single-use plastic/the oceans (although, really, that's probably part of why he wants to do it).

At any rate, I'll never get the "leave politics out of sport" thing. What else am I supposed to think about on long runs?
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