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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Nillsvdb]
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
monty wrote:
"How was Sam fatigued in Oceanside" He wasn't, dont feed the troll..He may have looked fatigued because it was the one race this season where he didnt get to do his own pace, and someone was stretching him to his limits on the run. . . . But when you are head to head on the run with someone surging, attacking, and basically keeping you from your comfortable race pace, of course you are going to look bad if you're getting dropped.
Sam has just been on fire this entire season, and I havent seen one instance of where he has suffered from racing or the travel. Seems like 100% top fit and tapered races he has had, which is a real testament to his coach at the moment...
Would've been good to see a rematch in San Francisco but I'm guessing that won't happen.
Good to see you give his coach due credit: so often their influence isn't noted.
This is awesome. We are talking about Sam Long's racing and Sam Long the coach in a thread about Lionel. The internet can officially be shut down now!!!
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [devashish_paul]
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It is all coming full circle.
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [devashish_paul]
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I tried and did my best. We had a little head of steam up for awhile, but alas, it fell to the back pages.
We just need sam to get out there once again, time to do an ironman and get himself really in the series conversation...
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ng%20thread#p8111973
We just need sam to get out there once again, time to do an ironman and get himself really in the series conversation...
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ng%20thread#p8111973
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [monty]
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Talbot just posted a video on Strava in Germany with Lionel running. He's going to race Hamburg?
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Kingy]
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Kingy wrote:
Talbot just posted a video on Strava in Germany with Lionel running. He's going to race Hamburg?Probably at the canyon wind tunnel
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [rrheisler]
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I am curious if Lionel Sanders is in the Las Cruces, New Mexico area currently? I did my long run today and would swear that I saw him running. Same stride, tattoos, mustache, etc.
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [hblake]
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [marcag]
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marcag wrote:
Kingy wrote:
Talbot just posted a video on Strava in Germany with Lionel running. He's going to race Hamburg?
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
marcag wrote:
Kingy wrote:
Talbot just posted a video on Strava in Germany with Lionel running. He's going to race Hamburg?ya, it opened in the last few months. A few Canyon athletes have been through.
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Lagoon]
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Lagoon wrote:
Lionel is doing a livestream tomorrow on the Canyon_Road page on IG.Looks like he made some changes - conveniently in front of the cockpit but BTA bottle much further back, I believe that rear bottle wasn't part of his set up before...the man is getting dialed me thinks.
Interesting to see the cockpit set up, arm angles and if there is a helmet change. Exciting times in LS's world - also was running while there per Talbot's strava!
DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [dfru]
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dfru wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Lionel is doing a livestream tomorrow on the Canyon_Road page on IG.Looks like he made some changes - conveniently in front of the cockpit but BTA bottle much further back, I believe that rear bottle wasn't part of his set up before...the man is getting dialed me thinks.
Interesting to see the cockpit set up, arm angles and if there is a helmet change. Exciting times in LS's world - also was running while there per Talbot's strava!
Hydration was the last thing he had to test. He did very little in the tunnel, unfortunately what he found fastest was since banned. The rear bottle was always there during some testing.
I am curious to see what he comes out with. His road and A2 tunnel testing had very good correlation, so interesting to see if his findings are complementary or if he goes in another direction. If I had to bet, I'd say he ends up with a custom cockpit now that he has found a sweet spot.
There is one thing pros (and AGers) are not doing and need to be doing to is check their testing optimizations are seen in long test rides. Formal testing numbers are theoretical until they translate into race results.
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [marcag]
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marcag wrote:
There is one thing pros (and AGers) are not doing and need to be doing to is check their testing optimizations are seen in long test rides. Formal testing numbers are theoretical until they translate into race results.
How would you suggest we AG'ers test this? I get some pretty long sections of road on the weekends to stay aero. I've always wanted to find a way to get some aero data or baseline data on these training rides but have struggled to get anything meaningful or that I believe. Best bike split seems ok but not great. Chung doesn't really work for this either.
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [stevej]
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I guess the question I'd like to ask Marc is: how long should the long test ride be?
Because the protocol would probably be to do a simple out and back 2+ times at the same power, different setups, measure times, make sure the weather and wind direction hasn't changed considerably?
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden
Because the protocol would probably be to do a simple out and back 2+ times at the same power, different setups, measure times, make sure the weather and wind direction hasn't changed considerably?
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [kajet]
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Lionel just said his baseline run in the tunnel was .233. Yikes. He got down to .208.
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-Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [marcag]
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marcag wrote:
dfru wrote:
Lagoon wrote:
Lionel is doing a livestream tomorrow on the Canyon_Road page on IG.Looks like he made some changes - conveniently in front of the cockpit but BTA bottle much further back, I believe that rear bottle wasn't part of his set up before...the man is getting dialed me thinks.
Interesting to see the cockpit set up, arm angles and if there is a helmet change. Exciting times in LS's world - also was running while there per Talbot's strava!
Hydration was the last thing he had to test. He did very little in the tunnel, unfortunately what he found fastest was since banned. The rear bottle was always there during some testing.
I am curious to see what he comes out with. His road and A2 tunnel testing had very good correlation, so interesting to see if his findings are complementary or if he goes in another direction. If I had to bet, I'd say he ends up with a custom cockpit now that he has found a sweet spot.
There is one thing pros (and AGers) are not doing and need to be doing to is check their testing optimizations are seen in long test rides. Formal testing numbers are theoretical until they translate into race results.
On the livestream with Canyon Talbot just said new cockpit AND new helmet...
DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [dfru]
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And he's doing Lake Placid, was that already announced?
-Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
Team ZOOT
ZOOT, QR, Garmin, HED Wheels, Zealios, FormSwim, Precision Hydration, Rudy Project
-Of course it's 'effing hard, it's IRONMAN!
Team ZOOT
ZOOT, QR, Garmin, HED Wheels, Zealios, FormSwim, Precision Hydration, Rudy Project
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Bryancd]
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Yes.. he said on one of his youtube videos months ago. He still needs to qualify for Kona.
Shaved legs and arms were a big improvement for him as well. Not sure why he didn't believe in it all these years especially after specialized posted their youtube video on it.
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Shaved legs and arms were a big improvement for him as well. Not sure why he didn't believe in it all these years especially after specialized posted their youtube video on it.
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [stevej]
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stevej wrote:
marcag wrote:
There is one thing pros (and AGers) are not doing and need to be doing to is check their testing optimizations are seen in long test rides. Formal testing numbers are theoretical until they translate into race results.
How would you suggest we AG'ers test this? I get some pretty long sections of road on the weekends to stay aero. I've always wanted to find a way to get some aero data or baseline data on these training rides but have struggled to get anything meaningful or that I believe. Best bike split seems ok but not great. Chung doesn't really work for this either.
BBS is as you say OK, not great.
MyWindSock is a bit better.
Lionel had a small device that is basically an aerometer. He raced with it in Indian Wells. That is the best way with someone to monitor it if the athlete is not so inclined himself. We have been using it with the pro riders with success. They go out on their TT bikes and do 20min efforts say and we measure those.
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [stevej]
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stevej wrote:
Yes.. he said on one of his youtube videos months ago. He still needs to qualify for Kona. Shaved legs and arms were a big improvement for him as well. Not sure why he didn't believe in it all these years especially after specialized posted their youtube video on it.
This is almost too cringe for me, honestly. Has been common knowledge for years⌠must be a gimmick for the video because I have never seen the guy with hair on his legs in any of his videos
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Nillsvdb]
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [Nillsvdb]
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Nillsvdb wrote:
stevej wrote:
Yes.. he said on one of his youtube videos months ago. He still needs to qualify for Kona. Shaved legs and arms were a big improvement for him as well. Not sure why he didn't believe in it all these years especially after specialized posted their youtube video on it.
This is almost too cringe for me, honestly. Has been common knowledge for years⌠must be a gimmick for the video because I have never seen the guy with hair on his legs in any of his videos
It's not cringe. If I were to believe every video showing something saves you 10 watts, then I should be able to reach 50kph with negative watts.
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [stevej]
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stevej wrote:
It's not a gimmickdammit, imagine if lionel had taken all this crap seriously 10 years ago!
honestly, i've been shaving down for big races for YEARS. we did at swim-team kids when i was a teenager. c'mon, lionel!
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Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [iron_mike]
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Imagine if 10 years ago he took 6 months to completely focus on swimming
He would have a swim technique which doesnât go away. And his run and nine would have come back in a few months
He would have a swim technique which doesnât go away. And his run and nine would have come back in a few months
Re: The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread [strangename]
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strangename wrote:
It's not cringe. If I were to believe every video showing something saves you 10 watts, then I should be able to reach 50kph with negative watts.This. People are quoting the numbers released by Specialized years ago in a YouTube video as if theyâre gospel. Or, âcommon knowledgeâ. đMeanwhile in every avenue other than hairy legs we expect peer-reviewed studies published in reputable journals and confirmed by countless other peer-reviewed studies published in reputable journals⌠and then itâs natural for the mainstream scientific view to evolve. But hairy legs? Duh, a watt per hair, obviously!
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden