"People can get hurt or killed very easily in packed surf lineups, especially in heavy surf, especially by outsiders not familiar with the surf zone. Surfing can be an extremely dangerous situation, much like having a newbie riding in a tight pro peleton roaring through city traffic. The most dangerous thing in the surf zone is not sharks... it's other people. Tough, experienced, and no bullshit "leaders" of sorts emerge and take over the surf spots and dictate behavior to keep stuff straight. It seems like bullying from the outside, but it's harsh treatment to avoid even harsher consequences. Guys that are naturally mean but do care about the overall good fill the role more often than not, even if they don't know it themselves. When you're dealing with a native pro Hawaiian surfer that other surfers worship, you're most likely dealing with an exceptional alpha athlete that will talk first, ask questions later, but will also probably ask those questions after he's broken your board over his leg and thrown it at you for nearly getting somebody killed out there. Punishment of one by example for threatening the pack is strongly ingrained surf alphas. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, that's just the environment of the home turf Sunny lives in and what personalities it creates."
Well said. Anyone who even lightly follows surfing knows who he is, and his personality.
Please try to understand that it's a different culture out here. Sadly, the rule of law does not always apply, and the law enforcement can be very flexible based upon may factors; longstanding relationships that go back for generations, political factors, business relationships aka money, etc. This leads to a sort of communal policing, where justice is not always carried out by the system. It sounds a bit third world, and it can be at times. Generally though, Hawaiians, and others in Hawaii are extremely forgiving people- more than I've ever seen anywhere else, and sometimes to a fault. But you have to admit what you did, take your punishment, and then its over. When an outsider from another culture decides to do the normal thing for them and lawyer up or "no comment", things are going to go bad, because as I mentioned, the legal system here does not really work. That leads to a frustration when there is no justice. My guess is that we won't see CM on this island again for a long time, and it has nothing to do with any legal investigation. Nothing will come of the investigation, and Sunny already knows it, because he's seen it 1000 times. That explains his post. It's his only recourse. I get it.
As for guilt/innocence, I'll leave that to others. I wasn't there so I can't speak to it, and you were not there either. Just because you like a guy does not mean he is innocent. Just because a guy is a loud mouth a-hole, does not mean he is guilty.
What I said above is based on my 12 years here. You may have a different experience in your home town. Again, try to understand that your cultural/environmental/social influences where you are from are unique to you, the cultural/environmental/social influences here, or anywhere else for that matter, are different.
Well said. Anyone who even lightly follows surfing knows who he is, and his personality.
Please try to understand that it's a different culture out here. Sadly, the rule of law does not always apply, and the law enforcement can be very flexible based upon may factors; longstanding relationships that go back for generations, political factors, business relationships aka money, etc. This leads to a sort of communal policing, where justice is not always carried out by the system. It sounds a bit third world, and it can be at times. Generally though, Hawaiians, and others in Hawaii are extremely forgiving people- more than I've ever seen anywhere else, and sometimes to a fault. But you have to admit what you did, take your punishment, and then its over. When an outsider from another culture decides to do the normal thing for them and lawyer up or "no comment", things are going to go bad, because as I mentioned, the legal system here does not really work. That leads to a frustration when there is no justice. My guess is that we won't see CM on this island again for a long time, and it has nothing to do with any legal investigation. Nothing will come of the investigation, and Sunny already knows it, because he's seen it 1000 times. That explains his post. It's his only recourse. I get it.
As for guilt/innocence, I'll leave that to others. I wasn't there so I can't speak to it, and you were not there either. Just because you like a guy does not mean he is innocent. Just because a guy is a loud mouth a-hole, does not mean he is guilty.
What I said above is based on my 12 years here. You may have a different experience in your home town. Again, try to understand that your cultural/environmental/social influences where you are from are unique to you, the cultural/environmental/social influences here, or anywhere else for that matter, are different.
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mikedrutar: Nov 9, 15 21:47