Eliud Kipchoge never broke 2 hrs.

But sure, inaccurate/false smack talk is ok to get a couple more instaviews.

They are gonna succeed the same way Kipchoge successfully broke 2hrs.

Unless they cheat, of course.
Which Kipchoge in the eyes of purity did too.

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Every time I start thinking that I must be the grumpiest,most jaded old fucker here on ST someone like you posts and shows me I still have some way to go to claim that title...

Some more Sub7/Sub8 media whoring for you to enjoy...



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40/3:50/2:27 with transitions?

lol.

Thank You.

I got my fill for now.
Don’t want to lose that Cabernet the wrong end (it’s good).

I’ll ping you for a reference!

This'll really wind up the Kipchoge haters....


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Kipchoge as an modest athlete is phenomenal.
Nike as a corporation, not so much.

Spirig has a better chance of doing it than LCB but I think Ryf has a better chance than both.

Would be a fantastic race if they had Paula F and Lisa Norden in there.

Frodeno has the best chance.

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It isn't going to be a conventional race,it is going to be an assisted TT match race challenge similar the Sub2 marathon with pacers on each leg to get them holding the times required. One on one men's and women's race.

The athletes chosen are either already part of or, I imagine ,will be joining the Pho3nix Foundation Team and I don't think Ryf or Frodeno will be joining them.
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let's say it different: Frodeno and any human at this world can go sub 7. unless they use a motorbike.
how would you assign the splits in the 3 legs to make sub 7?

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It is all there in the media profiles but for your reading pleasure here is Kristian to give you his ideas of how it may be possible..
KRISTIAN BLUMMENFELT — Sub 7 Sub 8

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We haven’t dug too deep into the numbers yet, but just to break the seven hours, it takes at least a 45-minute swim, 3:45 bike and finishing off with a 2:30 marathon. This is even without taking the transitions in consideration.


if you think this is possible, INCLUDING transitions, it is fine for me.
for me it is impossible at present time, without drafting, without water current and without having a downhill marathon. and also without having a car in front for drafting

The transitions can be cut down to very little by simply having the bikes 5 yards from the water exit, and run shoes etc 2 yards from the T2 dismount line.
No half mile run around the houses that you get in a regular transition.

The bike leg ? Draft legal ? Team time trial style with the key athlete half a dozen people back never doing a turn ? That'll save a lot of time and energy. Feed stations from moving cars so as not needing to slow for a second.
And a net downhill course obvs !

Oh - and make the course short like IM seem to think is OK !!

Setting myself a reminder to come back and see what kind of a sh$$show this thread becomes when Talbot and Halvard drop in with their hot takes.

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This is cool.
I loved the sub2 race.
This is something similar.

It is already on the webpage of one of Norway's largest broadcaster.
https://www.tv2.no/sport/11909097/


All publicity for the sport is good.
(but some will always be grumpy and say everything was better before........)

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Yes people here will be grumpy, mainly because none of the ST favourites have been included and it will be seen to be flying in the face of "real" Ironman racing.The thing is that Ironman already refuse to accept the male and female fastest Iron distance times from Roth and like to pretend that they never happened,That is sad and fucking petty from my point of view.

The money behind these people(with Macca involved as well) will also piss the hard core Ironman cult crowd because Ironman is supposed to be the big deal in the sport but the PTO, The Bahrain Endurance 13,Super League and now the Pho3nix Foundation (cue MacGyver) are now showing that there is more to the corporate side of triathlon than the crappy VIP tent at Ironman races.I remember telling Michael Brown of MB Sports that he had hit the big time when he hooked up with Super League,making his experiences in Western Canada look small time. He agreed.

What will also happen I imagine is that the athletes who are in Kona this year,five months before the Sub7/Sub8 Challenge, will be super fit with an extra dollar incentive going into Kona knowing that Kona isn't the end of their season,the Sub Challenges are.That for my mind makes then even more dangerous in Hawaii.They know that if they all make it to Kona fit and healthy then all the media will be about them and that is going to piss the traditional Ironman crowd off.It will be a PR dream for the Pho3nix Foundation (cue MacGyver) and a pain in the ass for Ironman,which will all be a part of the plan.

I will now put on my flame proof suit.. :-)
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Exactly right. If Lionel was doing this it would be non-stop gushing about he's the greatest athlete the world has ever seen, in-between bouts of furious masturbation.

It may be feasible as a relay, but individually I'd say it's a very far reach. I'd say the women have a better chance seeing what the current 'records' are for men and women.

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They are going to have pacers on all 3 disciplines and will be able to draft on the bike. This should save a lot of time, which may enable to the women to take off 19 minutes from the current record and go sub 8, but still can't see the man take 36 mins off the record without having downhill/current assisted conditions. Nonetheless will be an interesting event to watch, hopefully will bring a lot of attention to the sport. https://www.sub7sub8.com/about/

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I agree.I can see the women getting it done given the format but the guys,I don't know.That is a huge leap.
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I think short of a wind/current assisted swim followed by a point to point bike with a tailwind (and possibly a motorcade) then these times - particularly the men's - are a very big ask. In reality we are looking at the men to finish up with a 2:30 marathon, if not a 2:2X so not only do they need to be very fresh when they start the marathon, they need to be fresh having done world record performances already in the swim & bike.

Maybe the plan is for them to sit tight behind a truck with a huge clock on the roof at 30mph doing 200W in the draft - if that is the case then I think it is eminently possible.

On the other hand, Lucy can - I suspect - swim with Ali & Kristian, if she sits in on the bike and lets them do the donkey work I could see her easily getting to T2 in <5 hours. However I guess if that happens the Men's target is doomed to fail.

A peloton of Olympic level real or OWS swimmers pulling them to a 45min IM swim, a peloton of big-ass buses and trucks pulling World Tour level cyclists pulling the triathletes to a 3:30 IM bike (51.5kph), and then a 2:40 marathon to cap it off equals, including 4min of transitions, 6:59.

Without the vehicles there's no way they go below 4:00 on the bike, which is a 7:30.

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Agreed, and the point of the whole thing is to raise money for a good cause.

Looking forward to it.

Come on Nick be honest if this was LS you'd be calling this a bullshit attempt and calling out every "aid" he was using that both these attempts will use.

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I would be curious how you would want to stage the cyclists. Like would you want to break it up where you can create 4 different team time trials and the athlete just sits on all while having the freshest athletes every 25 miles. Or just have the sum of bikers all together the whole time just doing 1 big "paceline" pull + the racers "hiding" in the back.

Especially if it's a looped course, I would almost bring in fresh cyclists each lap or section.

ETA: You know there will be media traffic to help "buffer" the wind etc as well, because how else will they film / promote it. So they'll probaly get the benefit of traffic control + however they want to stage the support cyclists.

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