Whoever wouldn't mind indulging me, if you're over 50 and race sub 11:00 IMs, what are your cycling W/kg, lactic threshold running pace and 100m pool splits? Thanks!
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Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Gville wrote:
Whoever wouldn't mind indulging me, if you're over 50 and race sub 11:00 IMs, what are your cycling W/kg, lactic threshold running pace and 100m pool splits? Thanks!I went 10:54 at 55yo in my first and only IM. At the time
FTP around 285 at 78kg (3.65). It was a flat course.
Swim just under 24m for a 1500m.
Run a bit under 41min 10km.
Swim and bike didn't change much since 50. Run slowed down.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [marcag]
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That's a pretty good FTP; what was your bike split?
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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10:55 at 57 IMAZ 2019
Swim; Generally, I am about 1:15/100 scy and 1:20 scm with 10 secs rest.
Bike; FTP about 3.2 w/kg
run; 10k 48-49 mins
Swim; Generally, I am about 1:15/100 scy and 1:20 scm with 10 secs rest.
Bike; FTP about 3.2 w/kg
run; 10k 48-49 mins
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Gville wrote:
That's a pretty good FTP; what was your bike split?
5:30 with some time sorting things out in medical tent and special needs. I am diabetic and had a glucose testing issue. Would have been 5:20 otherwise
4hr run. I regret the run. I got lazy at the end.
1:07 swim
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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This year I did in September a long distance in Podersdorf, Austria in 10:13.
Swim 1:12 (with wetsuit), Bike 5.16, Run 3:39.
I'm 59.
bike: In June I did 23 km out and back with an average of 40 km/h with Ă˜ 229W which is 2,69W/kg for me.
I do not know my FTP
run: Last December I did 10k in 39.50.
swim: last year December I did a 400m in a 50m pool in 7:30 (without wetsuit: my weakest discipline).
Swim 1:12 (with wetsuit), Bike 5.16, Run 3:39.
I'm 59.
bike: In June I did 23 km out and back with an average of 40 km/h with Ă˜ 229W which is 2,69W/kg for me.
I do not know my FTP
run: Last December I did 10k in 39.50.
swim: last year December I did a 400m in a 50m pool in 7:30 (without wetsuit: my weakest discipline).
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [longtrousers]
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longtrousers wrote:
This year I did in September a long distance in Podersdorf, Austria in 10:13. Swim 1:12 (with wetsuit), Bike 5.16, Run 3:39.
I'm 59.
bike: In June I did 23 km out and back with an average of 40 km/h with Ă˜ 229W which is 2,69W/kg for me.
I do not know my FTP
run: Last December I did 10k in 39.50.
swim: last year December I did a 400m in a 50m pool in 7:30 (without wetsuit: my weakest discipline).
I just wanted to say congrats. 3:39 run at 59 is impressive. I am 55 and just getting back too solid running in the last 8 months or so. This provides some serious inspiration. My swim and bike are in sub 11 shape, but have no clue if my run can get me to 4 hrs, 5 hrs or 7 hrs (my current 5km pb that I did in Oct was 22:29 and I ran 1:52 at Dubai 70.3, so that's not good enough to get me to sub 4).....but I likely have 2 years before I get to try one of these anyway (Dubai splits as a first year 55-59 were 32 in a wavey ocean swim which was under perform for me, 2:18 bike, 1:53 run.
Some stats that I am at now:
- 1500m pool swim at masters nationals 23:34, 800m free 12:13
- 5km solo at track 22:29
- Bike FTP estimate 250W at 66 kilos ~3.8W per kilo
I have some mechanical limitation on the run so I dont know what I can really sustain over a long duration!
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Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [devashish_paul]
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devashish_paul wrote:
longtrousers wrote:
This year I did in September a long distance in Podersdorf, Austria in 10:13. Swim 1:12 (with wetsuit), Bike 5.16, Run 3:39.
I'm 59.
bike: In June I did 23 km out and back with an average of 40 km/h with Ă˜ 229W which is 2,69W/kg for me.
I do not know my FTP
run: Last December I did 10k in 39.50.
swim: last year December I did a 400m in a 50m pool in 7:30 (without wetsuit: my weakest discipline).
I just wanted to say congrats. 3:39 run at 59 is impressive. I am 55 and just getting back too solid running in the last 8 months or so. This provides some serious inspiration. My swim and bike are in sub 11 shape, but have no clue if my run can get me to 4 hrs, 5 hrs or 7 hrs (my current 5km pb that I did in Oct was 22:29 and I ran 1:52 at Dubai 70.3, so that's not good enough to get me to sub 4).....but I likely have 2 years before I get to try one of these anyway.
You're a frequent writer and mostly I read and appreciate your contributions. Do I remember right that you come backfrom an injury? I wish you all the best.
It is not easy to come back at age: I was able to run 1:21 on a HM when I was in my early twenties: and when I started again running in my late 30s I thought I can get back there soon: but no way. It costed me years to get back to 1:30.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [longtrousers]
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yes, disc injury Nov 2015 and had to re learn how to walk as I could not use my left leg at all. I kept swimming that entire time, and have some coordination/force limiations with left leg that does not hurt bike at all, and only marginally creates a bit of drag in swim but its really limiting on run. But from March 2019 when I did my first run back to Sept 2020, I moved the 5km run from 33:27 down to 22:29. The 33:27 was a fight once I knew I could go sub 34. I pushed "really hard" to break 33:27....why that magic number....that was my 10km pb at age 25, so I wanted to see if I could have that as my new 5km PB at 55.
I was hoping for a full season of Olympic tris this year plus a few 70.3. 2019 after I got back to running I did 5 Olympic tris and my run splits were all 48:5x to 51:30. I had this "hope" to maybe get the Olympic tri 10km down to 45.xx this year which I think may have been doable IF I had the motivation of races to aim for, but in a way, it was probably good to have zero racing and basically everything from March to now has been a massive base building block !!!
I am pretty sure with the vaccine we will have a full round of Olympic tris next summer, so goal would be 23:xx + 1:05 + 46 +4 ~ 2:18. I think if I can get to that range, then on a flat course sub 11 is doable, but really if I want to go sub 11, it pretty well has to include a sub 4:15 run (65 + 5:34 + 4:14+ 6). I have some low hanging fruit being 4 kilos over my former race weight too.
The "double your half IM" and add an hour suggest that I can go sub 11 on a course equally fast to Dubai70.3 but that was a stupidly fast course. We were riding coned off on the passing lane of a highway with 2 lanes of traffic driving beside us at 50-100kph. For one 10km stretch, I was riding at 50 kph with a truck carrying a bunch of racing camels up the road to my right providing a massive draft. So I don't think that bike split is indicative of my real bike at this time.
To the OP thanks for startiing this thread. I just came off a roller ride watching a Kona video and was getting stupid ideas about trying another Ironman and what you asked about was exactly what I was thinking about riding with Jan Frodeno, Brownlee and Tim O'Donnell (LOL)
I was hoping for a full season of Olympic tris this year plus a few 70.3. 2019 after I got back to running I did 5 Olympic tris and my run splits were all 48:5x to 51:30. I had this "hope" to maybe get the Olympic tri 10km down to 45.xx this year which I think may have been doable IF I had the motivation of races to aim for, but in a way, it was probably good to have zero racing and basically everything from March to now has been a massive base building block !!!
I am pretty sure with the vaccine we will have a full round of Olympic tris next summer, so goal would be 23:xx + 1:05 + 46 +4 ~ 2:18. I think if I can get to that range, then on a flat course sub 11 is doable, but really if I want to go sub 11, it pretty well has to include a sub 4:15 run (65 + 5:34 + 4:14+ 6). I have some low hanging fruit being 4 kilos over my former race weight too.
The "double your half IM" and add an hour suggest that I can go sub 11 on a course equally fast to Dubai70.3 but that was a stupidly fast course. We were riding coned off on the passing lane of a highway with 2 lanes of traffic driving beside us at 50-100kph. For one 10km stretch, I was riding at 50 kph with a truck carrying a bunch of racing camels up the road to my right providing a massive draft. So I don't think that bike split is indicative of my real bike at this time.
To the OP thanks for startiing this thread. I just came off a roller ride watching a Kona video and was getting stupid ideas about trying another Ironman and what you asked about was exactly what I was thinking about riding with Jan Frodeno, Brownlee and Tim O'Donnell (LOL)
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Hopefully some of the info about myself and my most recent IM race (Sept 2019 Chattanooga) will be of use to you.
I am currently 58 yrs, and when I raced IM Chattanooga, I was 57....sadly, no results from this year. Weight is a very steady 67kg (about 148lbs).
Bike: FTP is 251W
Run: On a solo marathon (ie not in a tri) I have run just under 3:00 on two occasions in the past five years. Last November, about 6 weeks after IM Chattanooga, I ran the NY Marathon in 3:02. Half marathon PB is 1:23:15
Swim: 1,000m in 17:00 (equates to a 1:42/100m pace...note that this test was done in a 50m pool); if I were just swimming a stand-alone 100m (in a 50m pool), I imagine that my time would be 1:35, plus or minus
IM Chattanooga results and comments
Swim: 57:59...the swim was downriver; no wetsuit (3rd fastest swim in my AG)
Bike: 5:32...the bike course was officially 186km (about 123miles); 183W; 1,126m (about 3,700 feet) of elevation gain: it was VERY hot on the day of the race, with the 3rd highest DNF rate in IM history (5th fastest bike in my AG)
Run: 4:07...I was very disappointed in my run; but again, it was brutally hot; 351m of elevation gain (about 1,150 feet); (2nd fastest run in AG)
Overall: 10:53 (2nd place in AG)
Good luck to you and let me know if I can be of any further help.
I am currently 58 yrs, and when I raced IM Chattanooga, I was 57....sadly, no results from this year. Weight is a very steady 67kg (about 148lbs).
Bike: FTP is 251W
Run: On a solo marathon (ie not in a tri) I have run just under 3:00 on two occasions in the past five years. Last November, about 6 weeks after IM Chattanooga, I ran the NY Marathon in 3:02. Half marathon PB is 1:23:15
Swim: 1,000m in 17:00 (equates to a 1:42/100m pace...note that this test was done in a 50m pool); if I were just swimming a stand-alone 100m (in a 50m pool), I imagine that my time would be 1:35, plus or minus
IM Chattanooga results and comments
Swim: 57:59...the swim was downriver; no wetsuit (3rd fastest swim in my AG)
Bike: 5:32...the bike course was officially 186km (about 123miles); 183W; 1,126m (about 3,700 feet) of elevation gain: it was VERY hot on the day of the race, with the 3rd highest DNF rate in IM history (5th fastest bike in my AG)
Run: 4:07...I was very disappointed in my run; but again, it was brutally hot; 351m of elevation gain (about 1,150 feet); (2nd fastest run in AG)
Overall: 10:53 (2nd place in AG)
Good luck to you and let me know if I can be of any further help.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Gville wrote:
Whoever wouldn't mind indulging me, if you're over 50 and race sub 11:00 IMs, what are your cycling W/kg, lactic threshold running pace and 100m pool splits? Thanks!I am turning 50 next year and hoping for a Kona podium.
1) 4.4 W/kg
2) 6:15 minute/miles (or 3.55 minute/k) - that is the pace I do 10k tempo runs at in training.
3) 100m free- 60 (I was once a competitive swimmer.
Hoping to go faster than 9:30 in Kona.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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Thanks to everyone who responded. I have some tangible targets now to shoot for to reach my goal of sub 11. It’s definitely within reach and I have 11 months of solid training to get there.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Velocibuddha]
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Good for you, but no help for the guy. He wants to break 11 hours, not podium in Kona. And you are not even 50 yet. Geessss louiiissss.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [JasonGeorge]
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JasonGeorge wrote:
Hopefully some of the info about myself and my most recent IM race (Sept 2019 Chattanooga) will be of use to you. I am currently 58 yrs, and when I raced IM Chattanooga, I was 57....sadly, no results from this year. Weight is a very steady 67kg (about 148lbs).
Bike: FTP is 251W
Run: On a solo marathon (ie not in a tri) I have run just under 3:00 on two occasions in the past five years. Last November, about 6 weeks after IM Chattanooga, I ran the NY Marathon in 3:02. Half marathon PB is 1:23:15
Swim: 1,000m in 17:00 (equates to a 1:42/100m pace...note that this test was done in a 50m pool); if I were just swimming a stand-alone 100m (in a 50m pool), I imagine that my time would be 1:35, plus or minus
IM Chattanooga results and comments
Swim: 57:59...the swim was downriver; no wetsuit (3rd fastest swim in my AG)
Bike: 5:32...the bike course was officially 186km (about 123miles); 183W; 1,126m (about 3,700 feet) of elevation gain: it was VERY hot on the day of the race, with the 3rd highest DNF rate in IM history (5th fastest bike in my AG)
Run: 4:07...I was very disappointed in my run; but again, it was brutally hot; 351m of elevation gain (about 1,150 feet); (2nd fastest run in AG)
Overall: 10:53 (2nd place in AG)
Good luck to you and let me know if I can be of any further help.
The Chattanooga bike course is 11 miles over? Good gawd... I thought it was only 4 over. I will have to mentally prepare for that next year
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Velocibuddha]
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This is very impressive even at 49. Best of luck with the Kona podium next year
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Calvin386]
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Apologies....you are correct. The bike course is about 6km or 4mi longer than standard IM distance.
I am currently 58 yrs, and when I raced IM Chattanooga, I was 57....sadly, no results from this year. Weight is a very steady 67kg (about 148lbs).
Bike: FTP is 251W
Run: On a solo marathon (ie not in a tri) I have run just under 3:00 on two occasions in the past five years. Last November, about 6 weeks after IM Chattanooga, I ran the NY Marathon in 3:02. Half marathon PB is 1:23:15
Swim: 1,000m in 17:00 (equates to a 1:42/100m pace...note that this test was done in a 50m pool); if I were just swimming a stand-alone 100m (in a 50m pool), I imagine that my time would be 1:35, plus or minus
IM Chattanooga results and comments
Swim: 57:59...the swim was downriver; no wetsuit (3rd fastest swim in my AG)
Bike: 5:32...the bike course was officially 186km (about 123miles); 183W; 1,126m (about 3,700 feet) of elevation gain: it was VERY hot on the day of the race, with the 3rd highest DNF rate in IM history (5th fastest bike in my AG)
Run: 4:07...I was very disappointed in my run; but again, it was brutally hot; 351m of elevation gain (about 1,150 feet); (2nd fastest run in AG)
Overall: 10:53 (2nd place in AG)
Good luck to you and let me know if I can be of any further help.
The Chattanooga bike course is 11 miles over? Good gawd... I thought it was only 4 over. I will have to mentally prepare for that next year
Calvin386 wrote:
JasonGeorge wrote:
Hopefully some of the info about myself and my most recent IM race (Sept 2019 Chattanooga) will be of use to you. I am currently 58 yrs, and when I raced IM Chattanooga, I was 57....sadly, no results from this year. Weight is a very steady 67kg (about 148lbs).
Bike: FTP is 251W
Run: On a solo marathon (ie not in a tri) I have run just under 3:00 on two occasions in the past five years. Last November, about 6 weeks after IM Chattanooga, I ran the NY Marathon in 3:02. Half marathon PB is 1:23:15
Swim: 1,000m in 17:00 (equates to a 1:42/100m pace...note that this test was done in a 50m pool); if I were just swimming a stand-alone 100m (in a 50m pool), I imagine that my time would be 1:35, plus or minus
IM Chattanooga results and comments
Swim: 57:59...the swim was downriver; no wetsuit (3rd fastest swim in my AG)
Bike: 5:32...the bike course was officially 186km (about 123miles); 183W; 1,126m (about 3,700 feet) of elevation gain: it was VERY hot on the day of the race, with the 3rd highest DNF rate in IM history (5th fastest bike in my AG)
Run: 4:07...I was very disappointed in my run; but again, it was brutally hot; 351m of elevation gain (about 1,150 feet); (2nd fastest run in AG)
Overall: 10:53 (2nd place in AG)
Good luck to you and let me know if I can be of any further help.
The Chattanooga bike course is 11 miles over? Good gawd... I thought it was only 4 over. I will have to mentally prepare for that next year
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [JasonGeorge]
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Is there a specific reason why the bike course is 4mi long??? Not sure I understand why they can't get it correct.
Cheers, Ray
Cheers, Ray
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [TX83]
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TX83 wrote:
Is there a specific reason why the bike course is 4mi long??? Not sure I understand why they can't get it correct.It's long on purpose. I believe to compensate for the down-river swim which can be insanely fast.
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Dan Funk]
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Dan Funk wrote:
TX83 wrote:
Is there a specific reason why the bike course is 4mi long??? Not sure I understand why they can't get it correct.It's long on purpose. I believe to compensate for the down-river swim which can be insanely fast.
I like it, can IM please shorten all swims and add more bike!!
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [pokey]
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pokey wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
TX83 wrote:
Is there a specific reason why the bike course is 4mi long??? Not sure I understand why they can't get it correct.It's long on purpose. I believe to compensate for the down-river swim which can be insanely fast.
I like it, can IM please shorten all swims and add more bike!!
Haha, shorten the swim in half, but make it go upstream, and open up the dam!
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [pokey]
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pokey wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
TX83 wrote:
Is there a specific reason why the bike course is 4mi long??? Not sure I understand why they can't get it correct.It's long on purpose. I believe to compensate for the down-river swim which can be insanely fast.
I like it, can IM please shorten all swims and add more bike!!
Keep the swim lengthen the bike, cut the run to a 1/4 mile
Re: Stats for Sub 11, 50+ Age Groupers [Gville]
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You're going to want be be super duper comfy and have a great bike fit to be doing the IM FLA course & run well off being stuck in the aero position that long. Dial that thing in!
51 here & retired from Ironman racing for about 5 years now. Last one I did was 9 hrs & something...whatever...but about an hour swimmer, don't use a power meter any longer and just bike to enjoy biking and for running...depends on the "where" for run splits...hilly, flat, altitude, sea level. Being able to hold it together on a flat Ironman is really going to require a good core to hold it all together without terrain breaks. So...once that "goes" you're screwed. It's like the hinge on a door...if it isn't working you're not going to open that door, or close it. Doors are useless without a hinge. The upper & lower bodies don't work if the hinge is toast. Good luck!
51 here & retired from Ironman racing for about 5 years now. Last one I did was 9 hrs & something...whatever...but about an hour swimmer, don't use a power meter any longer and just bike to enjoy biking and for running...depends on the "where" for run splits...hilly, flat, altitude, sea level. Being able to hold it together on a flat Ironman is really going to require a good core to hold it all together without terrain breaks. So...once that "goes" you're screwed. It's like the hinge on a door...if it isn't working you're not going to open that door, or close it. Doors are useless without a hinge. The upper & lower bodies don't work if the hinge is toast. Good luck!
Rocky M wrote:
You're going to want be be super duper comfy and have a great bike fit to be doing the IM FLA course & run well off being stuck in the aero position that long. Dial that thing in! 51 here & retired from Ironman racing for about 5 years now. Last one I did was 9 hrs & something...whatever...but about an hour swimmer, don't use a power meter any longer and just bike to enjoy biking and for running...depends on the "where" for run splits...hilly, flat, altitude, sea level. Being able to hold it together on a flat Ironman is really going to require a good core to hold it all together without terrain breaks. So...once that "goes" you're screwed. It's like the hinge on a door...if it isn't working you're not going to open that door, or close it. Doors are useless without a hinge. The upper & lower bodies don't work if the hinge is toast. Good luck!
I guess Alistair brownlee and an entire crew of pros found that out at Challenge Daytona long before turning 50!