tri_yoda wrote:
Slowman wrote:
i have taken to referring to "west coast gravel" lately. remember that 5-day gravel stage race last year? oregon trail gravel grinder? i wasn't there, but what i heard was the enterprising rider changed to 650b and fatty tires for 1 or 2 stages, and that helped the eventual winner to victory.
That race had slightly more difficult than typical OR gravel and/or contained a shitload of very loose and relatively deep sand (like 30-40 miles total for the whole race). At least in OR, stuff that would pass for single track in many places is common in both gravel and CX racing.
And as far as how the race was won (the winning time gap actually happened on stage one, Barry Wicks and Carl Decker got like a 10 minute gap) was Carl Decker was running 50mm tires. He told me he had to hand trim the side knobs so he could get adequate frame clearance. But that stage included about 5-6 miles of true sand (not kidding, imagine about the worst sand pit you have seen in CX, but it lasts for 5 miles) and then about 2 miles of rocky, steep single track and those tires made the difference. At least the good part was that in a 300 mile race, the first 30 miles were the hardest.
But to your original point, I was glad to have 650Bs for that race and because the wider tires aren't really slower on easier stuff, but can make you stupidly faster in some knarl, they are totally the way to go. As more people figure this out, as you say, we are going to see frames set up to run 50mm as a normal setup and anyone getting a bike now should get ahead of that and make sure they can fit tires at least up to the high 40s.
you'll see on the thread on the new exploro. this, and the open wide, these are the templates, imho, for the future. not everywhere, but certainly in the variable gravel we get on the west coast. i did 2 rides over memorial day weekend in the sierras, with paul thomas, total about 80 miles and 12,000 feet of climbing, and on the second day a bunch of pitches between 16 and 20 percent and it's hard to get up those without the wider tires. and then descending from 6,500 to 2,500 feet over 10 miles, offroad, sandy turns, the time you lose is legion if you don't have the wide tires.
Dan Empfield
aka Slowman