What's "Carabinieri"?

oops sorry...italian Police (actually a type of police but linked to the army)

Simeoni needs to stop crying b/c he got his ass handed to him.

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Why would the military police be interested in an event that took place in France--or is it related the the lawsuit?

Lance "intimidated" 200 riders the last 3 weeks.

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I have no knowledge of Italian laws, but could one make the leap that Lance's actions were intimidating in that they threatened Simeoni's livelihood and hence could be construed as obstruction?

I have to admit that Lance went a long way to cooling this long time fan's ardor for him this year....this being just one instance

I don't think that they are referring to chasing Simeoni down. It must be something that Armstrong purportedly said to Simeoni.

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from the information I got (posted on the FFC website, french fed of cycling), LA's actions in the Tour can be seen as intimidation of someone who is a witness in a trial.

The allegation seems tenuous at best. Sounds like some home-cooking. I truly hope Lance rides the Giro next year - it is such a great race. And even better if he goes for the Giro-TDF double. These issues pending and newly-arising in Italy certainly do not further my hopes.

"The allegation seems tenuous at best"

why? do you have inside information that we do not have?

BTW, yesterday, Simeoni was given the prix de la combativite (combativity prize)...

If the so-called intimidation is the alleged statement that "you will not win as long as I am here," the basis for any criminal charge would seem tenuous at best. I certainly do not purport to have any inside information or what else Lance may or may not have said to Simeoni. I also do not purport to have any understanding of Italian criminal jurisprudence, but in America, there must be something much more than what we have seen. A somewhat petty act in the context of an arduous sporting event would never rise to the level of a criminal act. Threat of bodily harm would be different. Or threats specifically tied in to how he will testify or if he will testify would also be different. I find all of these little incidents unfortunate as they are bringing down the glory of cycling as a whole at a time when its popularity, especially in America, is rising dramatically.

this is why I wrote:

from the info I got LA's ACTIONS on the Tour (vague enough, so there is certainly something we do not know) etc.

Along the same lines, then, should not Ekimov be investigated for battery for blowing snot on Simeoni? Or even better yet, sued in civil court. In America, spitting on someone actually is actionable in the civil courts and can give the person spat upon an entitlement to punitive damages, it being the notion that spitting on someone is a most vile act that brings dishonor on the otherwise civility of our nation. I'm saddened to hear Ekimov acted in such a fashion, but does it surprise me that athletes engage in such vulgarities? No. Should criminal courts intervene in these instances? No. Now checking someone in the face with a hockey stick I would put on a different plateau.

I guess this "intimidation" stuff rings so hollow to me unless there really was a significant threat. Come on, this was a sporting event. If Lance does not want Simeoni to ever win a race, even if it is exactly because he has sued Lance, then so what. Shame on Lance, but don't waste the taxpayers dollars by pursuing criminal action. As someone has already posted, Lance intimated everyone by his performance. I don't hear Kloden or Basso crying.

i agree that there must be something we don't know if they are actually considering charges. If it's intimidating a witness to keep him from winning a race, then Lance would have had to allow Simeoni to win the whole thing if he wanted. i don't think that would hold up.

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yes, BUT Simeoni is currently a witness in a trial that involves Lance as Ferrari is his doctor/coach/whatever... if you don't see a problem here, too bad...

if Ferrari is considered guilty, then it looks bad on Lance, hence, Lance has clearly some interests in having Simeoni not talking...

[reply]BTW, yesterday, Simeoni was given the prix de la combativite (combativity prize)...[/reply]

It's really too bad Piil didn't make it to the end, as he really deserved that one. I haven't seen the all of the footage, but I think Rasmussen would have been a top contender as well. He did FAR more than Simeoni in my book. Any idea how that's judged? Or is it up to the whim and fancy of a committee, or worse yet, just one person?

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Granted I've got extremely limited knowledge of the pertinent events, but given what is common knowledge it sounds like he can't beat him on the course, so he'll try and beat him in Italian court. Damn, he almost sounds American.

I think I would see a bigger problem if Lance had physically threatened Simeoni. If Simeoni is in the race then he is taking his chances with winning and losing and he can't expect Lance to lay off him because of the legal issues. Also, although Ferrari generally seems to be considered dirty, he has not been proven so or convicted of anything that I know of. A trial that goes on for a year and a half sounds fishy to me.

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there is one given daily and one overall.
Simeoni got the one yesterday and Piil overall (as you said, that was a no contest for Piil...did he even know the event was draft legaL :-) )

This award is pretty much based on the amount of time you were on the attack, is that right?

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Oh, ok - I thought you meant overall (I didn't know there was a daily one)

Are all the awards posted somewhere? I've been looking, but haven't seen anything...

Piil rules. CSC/Cervelo had a great tour. Gerard & Phil must have been ecstatic with this years race.

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Can it not be more simple than that? Anyone that knows anything about LA knows that he is fiercely loyal. LA did not call Simeoni a liar based on things that he said about Lance, but on things that he said about Ferarri. What is wrong with someone taking a stand for a person? Why is society so touchy feely that we could be put off by this kind of behavior in a competitive sporting event?

Good for Lance for sticking up for himself and for his friend Dr Ferrari.

So your saying that since the Italian police are investigating, there must have been some off-camera intimidation as well? In the absence of any evidence of this, I think tenuous is an appropriate description...

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