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Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week
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OK sorry, I am late posting this year's details for the 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid training day. I've been on business travel for most of the month, and then when I got home I was buried at work, trying to cram in a 25 hour training week (to get ready for this crazy training day) and trying to get my son's soccer team organized on which I am a coach....so....here are the details. Who is in, and let me know if you need a place at the Chateau Jackrabbit (Jackrabbit Inn). I have some bunks reserved and it will work out to ~$25 per nite....first come first serve, with preference to people I actually know in real life so I don't get stuck with a bill for people who bail out at the last moment.

Details below.

Last year 17 Epicman finishers qualiified for Kona. If you are ready for Epicman, and can bounce back and recover in a few days, you are likely on your way to a stellar race at Ironman LP 7 weeks later!

Dev

EPICMAN TRIATHLON 2007:

3k SWIM, 180K BIKE, 21.1K RUN

a self supported training endurance challenge


6 AM Mirror Lake Beach, Lake Placid, New York, Fri Jun 8th 2006
This is a self supported training endurance challenge
There is no timing, no entry fee, no aid stations, no neutral support vehicle. You are on your own. Of course, you'll also have ~ 50 of your training friends joining you :-)
We won't coddle you at Epicman, and we won't cater to you. We won't support you with nutrition. We'll put your nose in freezing cold water, bolt your ass to the saddle and elbows to the aeropads for 6+ hours, force you to peel yourself off the bike in T2 when you want no more pain and are about to cry, we'll throw you to the wolves on Mirror Lake drive and the ski jumps to deathshuffle through a very memorable day of self inflicted pain with like minded souls.
Epicman strives to break you, but in reality, if you are well prepared, it will take you to the point of bending but not cracking and harden you that much more for race day.
If you are up for it, come out to Epicman. This is 100% old school style training. There is no science to it. You may not like it when you are out there, but the Epicman finisher medal will likely be your most prized and meaningful piece of hardware outside of an Ironman finish.
This day is old school training and is not meant for the faint of heart. Everything you need to know about yourself as an athlete you can learn in these 128 miles. On Ironman race day, you'll have an extra 1K of swimming and 13.1 miles of running to get the real medal

Training Day Logistics:



EPICMAN Lake Placid 6 am Fri Jun 8th 2007 3/180/21.1

This is the ninth year running for the EPICMAN training session in Lake Placid. It consists of a 3K swim, 180K bike, 21.1 K run workout on the Ironman USA Lake Placid course. I originally hatched this idea back in 1999 before the first Ironman Lake Placid as a personal self supported challenge. Since then it has grown up to a as large as a 50 person training session, with the majority of folks using it as a dress rehearsal for their Ironman Lake Placid race, but many use it as prep for other Ironmans, and some like myself do it just cause “It’s There”.

Registration: None, show up at Mirror Lake Beach at 6 am on Friday Jun 8th ready to roll, but if you send me an email, in advance I would appreciate it, so we have an idea of numbers

Entry Fee: Non, but if you can bring some extra Gatorade, gels, coke, chips, powerbars, pizza etc to share with your fellow athletes, it would be fantastic.

Timing: None (time yourself)

Nutrition: None (bring your favourite race day concoction) . If you can, stash some coke, and chips by the Horse Crossing Sign 200m into River Road, to share with all and be sure to pick up your stash after the training day please.

Coaching: Free training and race day execution advice from several multi Kona Studs.

Degree of Physical Difficulty
: 9/10 (Ironman day is 10/10)

Degree of Technical Difficulty: 5/10

EPICMAN Schedule:

1. Arrive from wherever Thu Evening, June 8th

2. Please find your own accomodations in Lake Placid, there are lots of places on a week night(http://www.lakeplacid.com/ for info). A number of us are staying at the Jackrabbit Inn just outside LP 518-523-0123. Please note that you need to plan to pack your breakfast for the morning. This is a long 8-11 hour training day that you cannot survive on “last night’s pasta” and you will need a full breakfast at 5 am. It turns out, on a Friday morning, there is nothing open in Lake Placid. The Jackrabbit Inn does have a kitche to prep your own meal.


Event Morning Jun 8th

3. Get up at 5 am, eat breakfast and , be at Mirror Lake Beach (ask locals the nite before for spot for Ironman swim start) at 6am ready to swim and transition straight to your bike (your bike gear, running shoes and nutrition needs to be ready to roll on you roof rack or in your car...there is parking on the road near the beach). To make things simple, have one plastic bag with your gear per sport…just like Ironman day. That way you are not ruffling through a car searching for gear during the day.

SWIM

4. Swim for approximately 3K or 50 minutes max, whichever is less. You will have 10 min to take a leisurely transition and be on the bike no later than 7 am. Please bring a wetsuit and if you have one, a neoprene cap. Mirror Lake can be VERY cold.

BIKE

5. The bike ‘train leaves at 7 am sharp’. If you are disorganized, you will spend the next 180K riding solo, so please do an efficient transition. There will be three groups of cyclists. The Fast Group will be lead by Ian Young who was 17th overall at Disney Half Ironman. They will go for a 5:30 to 5:40. The next group will be guided by myself aiming for a 5:50 to 6:00 pace including drafting. We’ll ride with the studly 5:30 group until around 45K at which point we will let them take off. The final group still needs an experienced leader who will be bringing you in at 6:30 to 7:00 pace.

6. During the bike, there will be three short 3 minute stops at 45K, 90K, and 135K. The 90K stop is back at your car to get your bike “special needs”. Please note that with the size of the groups, we can’t stop for every pee break along the route, so hold it in, or figure out how you will do it on the fly at the back of the group. Its good practice anyway for race day. We WILL wait for anyone who has a mechanical issue or flat if we are aware that this has occurred.

7. While we try to keep the group together at all times, there is a chance that you end up on the route alone, so please be SELF SUFFICIENT. Please remember to bring proper equipment, particularly TIRE INFLATION EQUIPMENT. Don’t show up with CO2 cartridges and no PUMP. If you flat, and you toast your CO2 attempts, there is a good chance that you could be on the road by yourself. There will be NO ONE to bail you out. This is a self supported training session. Assume that you are on your own just like a solo training session. The roads are open, there are cars and other traffic on the roads. Obey all traffic laws. Assume that cars cannot see you. This is the "defensive cyclists path to safety". Finally bring any and all clothing you might need. Upstate NY can be anywere from high 80's and 90% humidity to mid thirties and sleet in early June.

RUN

8. Run one loop of the LP run course (21.1k) at your own pace...ie. hammering, shuffling or the skijumpdeathwalk are all permitted

9. Bring your own nutrition, try to rehearse your Ironman race day nutrition plan

10. If you just want to treat this whole day as an adventure to get a feel for what a future Ironman might be like, feel free to do less than the full 21.1K run. You can do anything from 1K to the full half marathon.

AFTER Training

11. We hope to be done by around 3-5 pm, so after a quick cooldown dip, we will set up a restaurant to meet and chat about the day’s training. Usually the location of choice is McDonalds. This is not a full blown high class event. Its is free, you pay for your own Big Mac and Fries J

12. I’ll also be doing an event writup on http://www.xtri.com, so if some of you can bring a digital cameras to capture the day’s events, it would be fantastic.

Finally, if you are wondering, this event is held during the week to accomodate those of us who might have other committments on the weekend, such as family, coaching soccer, Rideau Lakes Cycle Tour, or more tri training. For those that chose to stay around LP, there is the LP marathon and Half Marathon on Sunday !
For those interested, the story about last year's training is on:http://www.xtri.com/article.asp?id=1518
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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FIRST REPLY! i'm there!

I need a spot at the Jack. Peter Tye and Murphy's Law told me it would come, so i was waiting on this post.

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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [mtlRunner] [ In reply to ]
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Post your real name on this thread and I will reserve a spot for you at the JR Inn...that way I can chase you down if you don't show up :-). I'm only reserving for real people, not anonymous internet posters :-)
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Scott Loong. Is that 25 per person in Senators Money or Ducks Money?

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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [mtlRunner] [ In reply to ]
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Since the JR Inn charges in Duck money, it is Duck money, although you may pay me $28 in Senator money :-)...this game is getting too close for comfort!!!
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in. I'll take a bunk at the Chateau as well.
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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i will be there Dev. although i'm closer to the 6:30 pace for the bike (in estimation).
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in... As Dev mentioned don't wait until next week...committed on showing up today! I need a Bunk bed at the Chateau JR.

Alex
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'll be there, with a big red target (pronounced "Tahr-zhay") on my back for Ian and the other speedy dudes to shoot for ;-)

Please put me down for a spot at Chez Jack as well. $25? Damn inflation!


float , hammer , and jog

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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in as well, although I won't be doing the full run. I'll be in the 6:30 group.

Looking forward to it.

-Nick Mathers
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Dev

I'm in & please put me down for a spot at the JR as well.

Thanks

Peter
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dev-

I may be in for this not sure yet. Our team was just at the Chateau JR last week for a training camp. I'll let you know if I'm as soon as I figure it out.

John Spinney

http://www.mountainmettle.com
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'll be there. Already have my own accomodations reserved. Thanks for organizing this.

Chris Martin
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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hey Dev; turns out i'll be at the host hotel; so i've got my own accomodations :)
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dev,
Unfortunately my wife is travelling that week/weekend so I will not be able to attend.

Is the LP Irontour still scheduled for end of June?

Thanks,
Fred.
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [Spindogg] [ In reply to ]
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Spindogg, quit waffling. We need some real horses out there to put the hurt on Murphy's Law in the 5:30 bike group. I'll be off the back leading the lame 6 hour bike group trying to preserve my legs for Muskoka the following weekend.

To everyone, do the swim and bike and whatever part of the run that you feel ready to do. Don't overdo it. Epicman should not put you in the hole. This is a training day that you already have to be "trained for", which means don't go to the point where you cannot get back on the bike and do another long ride on Sunday (take Saturday off). Only you know what that point is. Don't be a hero in training (Epicman) and zero on race day (Ironman LP).

Kittycat, see you at the "Chateau" (that would be the JR Inn). Hopefully you are bringing an entire crew of whipper snappers from Cincy...what about ST athlete of the year Rroof?

Finally bad news, my good buddy Konaexpress went down hard on the bike riding home in the rain at 178K into a 180K ride. He landed on his head and bruised his quad fairly badly, but there is no joint or skeletal damage. Knowing him, he will do everything to be at Epicman. He should be OK for the swim and bike by then, but the run may or may not happen....as a result, I suspect that he would want to move up from the lame 6 hour group to the studly 5:30 group.

Finally, I think Murphy's Law has some serious company. Itzeasy, the "first to T2" specialist will be out putting the hurt down!

To any of you sitting on the sidelines, do make an effort to come out. You won't regret it. It is a fabulous time. This is pure old school training. If I could I'd fly Monty and Molina in for this as this is the type of training those boys ate up in the early 80's when they were trying to figure out how to train for triathlon!

Dev
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Dev,

Thanks for putting this together, count me in. I'm all set for a place to stay.



"You can never win or lose if you don't run the race." - Richard Butler

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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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By the way, the title of the thread says, "Brag for the rest of the week". Given that the event is on Friday and the week ends on Sunday that gives finishers two full days of bragging rights. Hopefully this suffices as sufficient incentive.

Trevor...what about the Rochester "A" team (that would be Erik Grimm and Carl Johnston). I don't want Carl all tapered by the time he shows up at Muskoka...his legs better be fried so that all 40-44 studs and duds are on equal footing (of course we have to deal with a well tapered Allan Faulds....)

Dev
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I am soooo in.....

-Mike Scherman
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Book me Devo.

I'll be sucking the 6:30 group wheels for dear life. And the River Road is such a beautiful walk.


;-)


Behold the turtle! He makes progess only when he sticks his neck out. (James Bryant Conant)
GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [parkito] [ In reply to ]
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well, maybe having a girl in your group might encourage you a little bit...if i see you slack i'll just say, "hey, are you going to let a girl beat you?" and see if that gives you a proper kick in the pants. lol.

it will be good fun...or...something like that.
:)
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [kittycat] [ In reply to ]
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Girls and womens are always encouraging, but I am no where near where I should be this year. So, I am quite content to watch the fairer sex kick my butt. ;-)

My one and only goal is to stomp Murphys Law's butt out of the water, in part to show him the true value of excess body fat, and mainly to motivate him to get more laps in the wading pond he calls a pool.

Forget T2, this year it is all about T1!

Oh, and I am expecting it to be major fun.


Behold the turtle! He makes progess only when he sticks his neck out. (James Bryant Conant)
GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in!!!

I already have accommodations. I'll be in the 6:30-7:00 hour group. Probably will be a 60min run off the bike....for any other folks that may not want to do the whole thing.

Looking forward to it!

Sean O'Brien
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dev,

We are out of synch on this. I am down in LP this weekend with Rich Pady's Healthy Results Group and then in three weeks for Nigel Gray's NRG LP training camp. Nineteen is supporting and sponsoring both camps.

I will be in Ottawa on Friday, June 15 for the Friday Morning Meech Lake swim. Will have the full Nineteen demo fleet their doing a co-promotion with Ian Fraser at Cycle Logik.


Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
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Re: Roll Call 9th annual Epicman Lake Placid: Fri Jun 8, 2007: 3K swim-180K bike-21.1K run...brag for the rest of the week [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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dev - do you have any idea what pace bike groups are likely go out? i see a 5:30 and a 6:30 so far ... thinking of coming up, will camp or crash in the van if i do.
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