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Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon
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For those that are dissatisfied with the cutoffs to be an Ironman, currently the ultimate standard of multisport ego-boosting there is to offer, I offer you this fictional race format:

An iron distance (or other distance, whatever) triathlon with an 80/20 rule cut off applied at each leg of the triathlon. Anybody who finishes a leg of the triathlon within the top 80% by gender, is allowed to continue. All others, do not "make the cut." To illustrate, you start with 1000 people, only 800 continue on to the bike, then 640 continue on to the run and only 512 are allowed to finish that. That's right. Merely 51.2% of starters are allowed to call themselves "finishers." The rest, those too slow on any particular leg of the race, don't make the cut. Once the top 80% finish, a sag wagon bus goes and collects the remainder. Finishing means something in this race and you can't suck too much in any one event.

Just think of the unexpected benefits of the format-- less time commitment for kayakers and other volunteers on the course. Sure, you'd really have to have the right kind of bike course and plenty of officials. Get caught drafting? You're out. No excuses.

This kind of race wouldn't be for everyone and it would certainly change some people's pacing decisions, but how cool would it be to call oneself a finisher of such an event? Very cool.

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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thats awsome

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Alicia,

I would suggest you clear out your email in-basket ASAP. You are about to get bombed!


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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like that's the kind of format they need at ultra events.
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Even more fun, how about a "devil take the hindmost" elimination every 10 mins...
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [tim_sleepless] [ In reply to ]
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"Even more fun, how about a "devil take the hindmost" elimination every 10 mins..."

that would be fun too, but you'd have to have armed race officials. Nobody I know of wants to shell out big bucks for a race only to be pulled out within the first few minutes. It would certainly get rid of the deadwood I guess.
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Ha ha. Maybe. I knew that would be the risk throwing the idea out there to the general public.

To those that feel offended by the idea, please note what I said about the race not being for everybody.

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Even more fun, how about a "devil take the hindmost" elimination every 10 mins...
OMG. That's hilarious! I can see the boat following the tail end of the pack with a big fish net. 10 minutes, time to pluck another one up!

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Why not..
But one issue I would think of is how to deal with the fee.
People pay a certain amount to participate in an event. Either you have a "flexible fee": 100% for finishers, 33% @ swim cutoff, 66% @ bike cutoff, or one low fee for everybody..

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Why not make it even more simple? Top 80% regardless of gender. If you're not taking into account age, why worry about sex?
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [fred_h] [ In reply to ]
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No flexible fee. It's not the race management's fault is you're slow and get pulled. This is a true HTFU event. Don't enter if you can't cut the mustard.
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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How about we make the cut off one person in front of you : )
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Why not use a qualifying time? Like Boston. eliminate before you start the race. Your way could eliminate a poor swimmer that is a strong biker and runner (that be in the top 25% overall) You'd have to have a mass start.
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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [dennis] [ In reply to ]
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All RIGHT!!!! The beat Alicia race. Only thing is, you have to leave me out there so I can continue to be the benchmark past just the swim. OR... pick a new benchmark. Maybe the last one not pulled becomes the new benchmark. That'll get 'em going!

Keep the ideas coming. This is awesome.

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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That's definitely another good option. I guess that depends on whether you want a greater or lesser number of hot tri chicks out there.

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Maybe. I knew that would be the risk throwing the idea out there to the general public.

It's a great idea. However, in this every-ones-a-winner age that we seem to be in these days, I suspect that more than a few people would get their shorts in a knot about certain standards or competitive levels that need to be hit. No problem for me. If you have come up through the ranks in any competitive sport you know that, that's what it's all about - the clock and the competition can be ruthless, but they are honest and you know exactly where you stand when it's over. But as you said it would not be for all races.


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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [GARodgers] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah. If this fictional race were annual, one would think it would get faster and faster each year, thus raising the bar and making it more and more special. Plus -- while it might be interesting to watch the front of the race, it will be MORE fun to watch what's going on at the bubble. Maybe to add some extra fun for the really fast people, have a 5 deep payout of premiums for fastest single sport splits (by gender or not depending). Just imagine all the things going on that an announcer could comment on in such a race? It might make actual good TV.

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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You know why we dont worry about age? Joe Bonness!

Really though, I could see this for ITU events with Elite/Pro folks - no way for AG'ers however. All in all a neat idea.

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If it was just one race with a special format, that would be awesome! I was thinking in terms of a triathlon-wide rule change, which might have some pretty negative unintended consequences for the sport.

That's right. RACE idea. Not USAT Rule Change Idea. Big difference.

I would like it because it would make the race more interesting, not because I have any agenda of "getting rid of dead weight" or whatever some people might be all anxious about. Just imagine how good it would feel to cross the line if it weren't practically a foregone conclusion. I just think this is an interesting concept with impacts to racers strategies and tactics, thus making it even more interesting.


Carry on!

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Re: Race Idea: Make The Cut All Rounder 80/20 Rule Triathlon [aliciap] [ In reply to ]
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Not a bad idea...To make it simpler why not enforce a 15 hour time cut-off in all of the Ironmans in the world like Roth and some other races does in Europe. Heck that might even help with the registration.
Opppps sorry I forgot we are here in the good old USA, country of instant gratification. When you pay $500.00, bar injury you should almost guaranteed to be called an Ironman.
Mmmmm....maybe there is some commercialism involved in this whole thing called Ironman racing.
I say we might even see 24 hour time cut-offs if some of the races does not sell out in the near future. After all this is the country with 8 hour marathon time limits.

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[reply]That's definitely another good option. I guess that depends on whether you want a greater or lesser number of hot tri chicks out there.[/reply]

That was my intention. You're gonna have to be fit to stay in the race. :)

It would also likely increase the no. of testosterone prescriptions to keep the old guys in the race.
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I wouldn't have a problem with something like this. Like you said, it wouldn't be for everyone. Everyone would know the rules ahead of time so they couldn't rightfully complain. One problem is that the top "triathletes" wouldn't necessarily be the ones who are allowed to finish. Every now and then a really slow swimmer is also a really fast biker and runner. Still, an interesting concept.

What I'd like to see is different IM cut-off times for different ages. 70 yrs+ gets a 17-hr cut-off, 60-69 yrs gets 16 hrs, 50-59 yrs gets 15 hrs, 40-49 gets 14, 30-39 yrs gets 13 hrs, 20-29 yrs gets 12 hrs. The only "exception" to the shorter cut-off times for younger people would be for people under 20 yrs. They'd get 13 or so hrs to finish. This system wouldn't clear the roads any quicker or anything like that. It would, however, force people to be in at least half-way (relatively speaking) decent IM shape if they want to race and finish. Flame on.
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Great reply. I'm going to like you : )
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