You better try a Pinarello Paris Carbon! That's what I have and it is the best decending and climbing bike I've ridden.

To much money.

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When it's good, it's good. When it's bad, you suffer.
Dan

Look around. I got mine back in Nov 06 for $2600. Shop had discounted them down from $3600.

Really, that is a Wow price. Here (Salt Lake) they are above 4000.00

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When it's good, it's good. When it's bad, you suffer.
Dan

Are you sure that both are the same size?

It's unusual to find that both bikes "feel" the same in one area, and that different in another. As far as strickly frames are concerned both are great and similar. I agree that feel is important, so if you're sure, - I'd go with the better climber. But for me, a Campy riding Italian, - there would be no decision. Scott is Swiss, so IMO, either bike is "safe" to buy.

Some Pinarellos are great eye candy and I know people who own the higher-end non-carbon models who swear by them. I also know a guy who broke three carbon fiber Pinarellos in one year -- the manufacturer would replace them and each time but, without fail, the frame would eventual crack; a differnt place each time. I've heard of other quality problems with their carbon frames. For example, I've heard several people complain about clouding in the clear coat over the fiber.

I know nothing about Scott.

What is your criteria for narrowing it down to these two brands?

i just bought scott cr1 plasma ltd, i never rode a pinarello but the scott is getting better al the time.
incredible ride i love my bike ijust want to ride now.
i think every body should try a scott even on rough rode in the try position it feel so fast and smooth,

"i think every body should try a scott even on rough rode in the try position it feel so fast and smooth,"

Huh? :-)

Been riding my Scott CR1 Pro w/Ultegra for nearly 2 years now.
It is a great road bike and very responsive.
I am not too happy with the bike with the tri bars on it, so would suggest that if you are looking for a pure road bike you are safe with the Scott, my experience with the tri bars is not brilliant.

You can tell that it is a great frame as really notice the difference when put the zippa on for racing - I think that is the measure of a good frame - being able to notice the improvements in the peripherals (if you can call gears and wheels "peripherals" - a bit too important to be dissed like that?!)

Did you mean to reply to me?

"I am not too happy with the bike with the tri bars on it"

Lucky for Scott it wasn't designed to be used with tri bars.

"I think that is the measure of a good frame - being able to notice the improvements in the peripherals (if you can call gears and wheels "peripherals" - a bit too important to be dissed like that?!)"

I think a good frame should feel good with bad components as well as good...just an enhanced version of itself with better components.

I did, and I guess I'm being educated!
I mean clip ons, but take your point.

The frame feels good on standard wheels - just you really notice the improvemnet when yu upgrade - surely that is a good thing.

I'm listening and ready to learn!

I have wanted a Pinarello since I was 14. I have a Scott Mountain bike that I like a lot. I have ridden the Felts, Cerevelos, Specialized, Time, Schwinn, Pinarello, and De Rosa. I know most of my opinion is strictly anecdotal, but the feel of the Scott was really nice, very comfortable for my style of riding. So I bought the Scott. I'll let you know how it goes, but as of the little 20 mile ride I just did, I am loving my choice.

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When it's good, it's good. When it's bad, you suffer.
Dan