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Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please
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Can anyone swim slower than me. Did the first tri on Sunday (Waconia) and they almost pulled me out even though I was swimming ;-) The white caps kept filling my mouth and I was off course every 10 strokes. Many were having problems as the whistles were a blowing. The water tasted like gasoline from all the Jet Ski's and it felt like chaos. This was my second time using my full suit which was a big mistake as it took alot of energy to swim. Any tips or do I have to lift some weights to overcome the suit. It fits fine but the arms get a little heavy when wet and I did struggle. I had to stop often cause I couldn't see the buoy and kept turning left. So my 100yd time was well over 2 minutes and I was 3rd from last. I biked to a number 1 spot (40-44), 11th overall, and was just about dead last in the run. Good wake up call as I better swim in the suit and run more often.

Bottom Line-Should one alter one's stroke when wearing a full suit, lift some weights or practice more?

All 3?
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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Practice, practice, practice. Swimming in a pool is nothing like open water swimming - especially with 1000-2000 others. My first triathlon was also my first open water swim - big mistake - the water was to warm for a wetsuit (race morning decision by the rd) and it took me 1hr! 3 years later, I've got it down to 38 minutes. Not great, but going in the right direction. Good luck!
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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The obvious question to you is whether or not your wetsuit fits you properly. Is too much water entering the suit? That would definitely explain why you are having difficulties, since the arm sections shouldn't be retaining enough water to make them noticeably heavier.

If you're sure the fit isn't the problem, I'd suggest more practice in the water. If you're not confident in your swimming ability/speed, spend some time working on that. If you're a decent swimmer, but the wetsuit causes problems, try doing a few extra practices with the wetsuit to get a better feel for it.

It's also possible that the conditions simply made things more difficult. I know when I've had to battle strong waves and tides during a race, I've become a bit more tired at times too. I think the only thing you can do about that is practice. The more you're out in the water, the more comfortable it will be and the easier it will get.

Good luck!

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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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my guess is that the problem is with stroke mechanics. if your arms are feeling heavy, i think the problem could be you are lifting your hands too high out of the water, not rolling your hips during the stroke, low elbow recovery, or some combination of those three. lifting weights won't solve this, as you're talking about a high repetition movement which does not have a direct impact on the propulsion through the water. practice will help, but you will need to practice efficiency, and not iron in what could be a significant mechanical flaw. i suggest having either a knowledgeable coach, or even a competitive swimmer analyze your stroke mechanics to see if they can accurately diagnose the problem.

the heavt arms does sound like a problem with stroke recovery, and a good drill to help this would be the fingertip drag drill, in which when you swim freestyle, drag your fingertips over the surface of the water during recovery close to the side of your body. this forces you to keep a high elbow, and to keep your hands close to your side and low in the air. it'll also utilize the stronger lat muscles primarily instead of tiring out your shoulder. but importantly, i emphasize having an expert set of eyes to look at your stroke, as without any visual evidence, a lot of what i said is admittedly speculation at this point. good luck with having this resolved, and done right, your stroke should not be materially altered using a full suit.
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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One Tri I wore my watch outside the sleeve of my T1. Big mistake. Luckily it was a sprint, because my left sleeve filled up with water (since the suit is so stretchy, it filled a lot.) I'm sure I looked hilarious with a 'mega' left arm recovering each stroke and coming out of the water att the end.

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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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test the wetsuit in a non-race environment. practice open water swimming or take the suit to an open-air pool - if you are still struggling then there is probably something wrong with your kit.

swimming in a correctly fitted wetsuit is awesome! all the major manufacturers have sizing charts on their websites.

i had breathing problems with my first wetsuit. turns out it was my tri-suit that was too tight and nothing to do with the suit.

what sort of wetsuit is it?
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [cookie] [ In reply to ]
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It's top of the line, fits like a glove suit. But neoprene does get waterlogged and your suit is heavier wet than dry. The suit is snug and doesn't get water pockets. I'm thinking that even a few extra ounces in low trained arms is taxing and the effort just to move the suit also a factor.

I did a 70 mile road race the day before and was a little tired. I didn't kick much (also another factor) but when I went to stand up to get out of the water, both my hamstrings seized and cramped. So I was in 4ft of water, treading (those around me running) until I could slowly unlock my legs. I had to walk to the bike and then things got better. In other words I've had better days. That'll teach me for my lazy tri training.
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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mmm....

don't know

definitely worth trying some open water training and / or try some different suits. when you find a suit that you are happy with you will fly

i hired a few different sizes to test in a pool. this helped a lot.

i'm not convinced its due to lack of arm strength or that weight training is required.
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [cookie] [ In reply to ]
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find a tri club in your area to swim with if at all possible.
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Re: Near Drowning Wet suit swim advice please [marko16] [ In reply to ]
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If your arms are getting heavier from being wet then something is definitely not right. This is a triathlon wetsuit, isn't it? It almost sound like you're using a surf/water ski or a dive suit. If the suit fits correctly it should fit like another layer of skin and only allow a very thin layer of water in - not enough to notice weight-wise. When you put it on, the torso and arms should be pulled up towards the shoulder so there's plenty of movement and no binding or restriction. When you're swimming in it you should feel very buoyant.

I don't think lifting weights is the answer. If you can, try out a different wetsuit and see if there's any difference. It could also be that he whole open water thing is going to take you a while to get used to and you just need more practice. Going off course and having to constantly make corrections wears you down and frustrates you more than you realize at the time.

Larry
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