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Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news
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Lionel takes Phil Gaimon's KOM up Mt. Lemmon today in Tucson. Averages 382w for 1:16. Guess he has nothing better to do now than try to take KOMs... pretty impressive ride.

https://www.strava.com/...segments/79293598868
Last edited by: MadTownTRI: Mar 17, 20 15:33
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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And a 137bpm average. I know he is individual, but I still struggle to comprehend that.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Worst sabbatical ever.


This is pretty impressive given that PG is/was a climbing specialist, and basically does nothing but train to take hill climb KoMs.
Sanders just did this in the middle of a training block ( no taper), and carrying swim muscle.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Lionel's physiology is crazy. I guess his heart just has massive stroke volume? Is it significantly bigger than regular peoples hearts?
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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He was really motoring near the line to end the segment when we saw him today.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Damn, that’s impressive.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Do we know if TT bike or road? Seems Phil made excuse of him using TT bike.

Impressive AF !!
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [thatzone] [ In reply to ]
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Video of first attempt was a Canyon road bike, I assume the second was as well.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Technically, this is COVID related news, since he did it as something fun to do since Oceanside was canceled. This only happened because of the current pandemic.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't last LONG! Sam Long just took the KOM. What's up Lionel? https://www.instagram.com/p/B92uiAPhWMJ/
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [vanchize] [ In reply to ]
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He took a 30 minute one within the 1:16. Not the big one Lionel took.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [Geronimo] [ In reply to ]
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All respect to his coach Barry. Keep up the amazing work!
Just to clarify he put over 2 minutes into Phil???
Not to mention M. Woods..
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [vanchize] [ In reply to ]
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Douche... goes for the short KOM like anyone gives a crap that he bested Sanders on the first half of the long segment.

vanchize wrote:
Didn't last LONG! Sam Long just took the KOM. What's up Lionel? https://www.instagram.com/p/B92uiAPhWMJ/

What's your CdA?
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Wow! That is awesome! Guy isn't going to have a pity party during this time. Great work! Phil Gaimon's comment is a bit poor sport with that jab. We'll see if he did use a TT bike, or use aero extensions on the road bike with the video coming out. Sort of hope he did use aero extensions so Phil will give it a shot using similar equipment.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [vanchize] [ In reply to ]
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vanchize wrote:
Didn't last LONG! Sam Long just took the KOM. What's up Lionel? https://www.instagram.com/p/B92uiAPhWMJ/

Fake news
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Phil's comment doesn't really make much sense for a couple of reasons.

1. He shows his super light (non-UCI legal) climbing bike many times in his videos.
2. A TT bike wouldn't even be faster up a hill climb anyways. TT bikes are known to be heavier (but much more aero) than a dedicated climbing bike.

I would like to see Phil try to take this segment back, but after his injury, I imagine it would be a while.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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I also like how Sam Long's KOM did not include heart rate. I feel if you are taking a very renowned KOM like Mt. Lemmon, you would include heartrate. Phil does. Sanders did too.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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realbdeal wrote:
And a 137bpm average. I know he is individual, but I still struggle to comprehend that.

In one of his videos, his coach David, goes over his unusually low heartrate. But yes, it is in effect of his unusually large heart and stroke volume.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [Tri2win352] [ In reply to ]
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I gotta imagine Lionel's flapping helmet straps, helmet too far back on his head, club-fit jersey, and awkward position on the bike drives PG insane. I personally find it hilarious, guy looks like a cartoon of a Fred on the bike but is still stupid fast.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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MadTownTRI wrote:
Lionel takes Phil Gaimon's KOM up Mt. Lemmon today in Tucson. Averages 382w for 1:16. Guess he has nothing better to do now than try to take KOMs... pretty impressive ride.

https://www.strava.com/...segments/79293598868

Super impressive - Does it matter which way the wind is blowing since Mt. Lemmon is pretty much a point to point??
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [FishOutofWater] [ In reply to ]
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Nearly 17mph up it. Meaning, there was time both below and above that speed. I'd guess appreciable time near 20mph. The aero difference at 20mph for TT is massive versus the weight difference of the bike.

I'm just a local schmuck TT hobbyist and I stay in aero going uphill at about 18mph or so, it's faster. Period. When I go for my local 2min to 3min hill KOMs (so cute!) I always use the TT bike as the speed is fast enough.

Amazing effort, but anything either direction within 2min of each other on something an hour long has so many factors involved you can't pick on Lionel for using TT or on Gaimon for an illegal light bike. At those speeds a 1mph breeze will make more difference.

Still, crazy stuff. Good work.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [cestmoi] [ In reply to ]
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If the wind held he'd have had a bit of a tail wind from the base to Molina Basin, bit of a headwind though about mile 7.4, cross wind until 7.8, headwind /cross wind until about 15k, bit of a tail wind until making the turn to climb to windy point which is about 12.5 miles in. Then a bit of a headwind up to Windy Point which is the longest part of steep on that climb. Then a bit of a tailwind from ~ 13.5 until 17 which takes him up the steepest part of the climb although it's short. Then mixed head/cross/tail winds up to the finish.

I found the portion from 16 -21 pretty fast yesterday for me. That's about the fastest I've climbed it in about 3yr.

There was a support van with him as well, not sure how much, if any role, that may have played in sheltering from head/cross/tail winds in the ascent.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [Masnart] [ In reply to ]
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I enjoy watching Phil's KOM attempt videos but I don't enjoy listening to him talk much. Would be great if he just did KOM attempt videos with some tunes in the background.

As for TT bike, Jan Ullrich blazed up Alp D'Huez in aero. Lance used road bike. I think Lance got him by over a minute with his fitness and setup.
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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [Tri2win352] [ In reply to ]
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Tri2win352 wrote:
Wow! That is awesome! Guy isn't going to have a pity party during this time. Great work! Phil Gaimon's comment is a bit poor sport with that jab. We'll see if he did use a TT bike, or use aero extensions on the road bike with the video coming out. Sort of hope he did use aero extensions so Phil will give it a shot using similar equipment.

He did it on a normal road bike - saw him yesterday as well.

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Re: Lionel takes Mt Lemmon KOM -- non covid news [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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I just got all the footage from the KOM. Should I edit and post video now or wait until next Tuesday when his videos usually come out.
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