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Lance to try for One Hour Record?
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From today's NY Times (sorry if already posted) :

The New York Times
January 24, 2005
So Many Miles to Cover and So Little Time to Do It
By JOHN MARKOFF

SOLVANG, Calif., Jan. 20 - On a sunny Southern California afternoon, a crowd gathered in a hotel parking lot here to watch Lance Armstrong and his team complete its daily six-hour training ride.

Though it appears to be a solo effort, bicycle racing is clearly a team sport. In Armstrong's case that team effort extends to an informal group known as F-One, an array of sports physiologists, computer engineers, aerodynamicists, as well as bicycle, helmet and clothing designers, which met for the first time this year on Thursday.

Indisputably the world's best cyclist, Armstrong, the six-time winner of the Tour de France, has been hinting broadly that he might take a year hiatus from the event he has dominated since 1999. He has also speculated that his next goal may be a sporting challenge virtually unknown in the United States until now.

For the rest of the world, however, the Hour Record, as it is known, holds as much magnetism as ascending Mount Everest. The object is for a solo rider to ride as far as possible in 60 minutes on a banked velodrome.

The record was first set in 1893 by the Tour de France founder, Henri Desgrange, with a mark of 21.95 miles. Since then, many of the world's cycling greats have taken turns assaulting the standard. Chris Boardman of Britain, a time-trial specialist, most recently set a mark of 30.721 miles in Manchester, England, in May 2000.

The event is attractive to Mr. Armstrong because it plays to many of his strengths: he is domineering in time trials, a category he has defined by his ability to produce extraordinary amounts of pedaling power over long periods.

"I think it would be an amazing spectacle," said Morris Denton, an executive for Advanced Micro Devices, one of Mr. Armstrong's sponsors. "If you look at the crowds Lance draws in the United States and you think about what would happen if you put some kind of marketing effort behind this event, it would be immense."

Mr. Armstrong has said he will not announce his intentions until April at the earliest. However, the plotting began here last week in a windowless hotel conference room for an attack on the Hour Record.

Johan Bruyneel, who is the coach of Mr. Armstrong's team, and Bart Knaggs, the president of his sports management company, Capital Sports and Entertainment of Austin, Tex., assembled the group to begin discussing the complex strategy and design issues that need to be solved.

Mr. Knaggs made clear to the group in his opening comments that no decision had yet been reached on which races Mr. Armstrong would attempt this year.

"Right now it's an idea," he said. "It's a four-minute-mile kind of thing, but we don't have it on the calendar yet."

The colorful history of the event is divided between an "athlete's record" originally set at 30.71 miles on a traditional track bike by the Belgium cycling legend Eddie Merckx in Mexico City in October 1972, and another record set using the most advanced technology.

The Merckx record went unchallenged until Francesco Moser broke it in January of 1984 at 31.57 miles, using a technologically advanced bicycle and a radical aerodynamic position.

Mr. Boardman then set the record of 35.029 miles in September 1996 in Manchester, only to have the Union Cycliste Internationale, the bicycle racing sports organization, set new rules in an effort to rein in the pace of technology.

Now, Mr. Armstrong must decide which record he wants to break.

"You have a philosophical decision to make," said Jay T. Kearney, a sports physiologist who is a vice president at Carmichael Training Systems, a company in Colorado Springs that oversees Mr. Armstrong's training regimen each year.

That is not the only decision the F-One group is faced with. In a presentation before the group last week, Mr. Kearney laid out a matrix of variables, each of which could have a drastic impact on Mr. Armstrong's chances.

For example, while Mr. Boardman set his records at sea level, Merckx rode at a velodrome at high altitude in Mexico City. In detailed charts, Mr. Kearney showed the group how moving the challenge to higher altitude significantly cuts air resistance, making it easier for a rider to go faster. The benefit of lowered air resistance is balanced by the decline in maximum oxygen uptake, which declines at altitude, even for elite athletes like Mr. Armstrong.

Air pollution, or even a cheering audience exhaling carbon dioxide in an enclosed stadium can have a measurable effect on rider performance, Mr. Kearney told the group.

In Las Vegas during a recent appearance at a media event, Mr. Armstrong showed a keen interest in the Hour Record. He rattled off the distance that Boardman had gone in his 2000 "athletic" attempt to the one-hundredth of a kilometer. He suggested that one exciting way to try to capture the record would be to make a first attempt at sea level in Madison Square Garden. Two weeks later, he would tackle the event at a higher altitude, perhaps in Salt Lake City in a sporting center that is a favorite of speed skaters and has produced many records for that sport.

At the meeting here on Thursday, the F-One design effort was just beginning.

"You need to tell me whether you need 60 days, 120 days or 500 days to be ready," Mr. Knaggs told the group.

In addition to thinking about the possibility of the Hour Record, each representative made progress reports on preparations for the new Discovery Communications Pro Cycling team, which replaces Mr. Armstrong's United States Postal Service sponsor this year.

The F-One group is made up of Carmichael Training Systems; Giro, the helmet maker; Nike; Trek bicycles; the wheel builder Hed Cycling Products; the computer chip maker Advanced Micro Devices; and the aerodynamicist Len Brownlie.

Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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So many have tried and so few have succeeded. This is such a huge risk. The upside benefit is almost not worth the downside. In the 11th hour of his career a failure to set the hour record would confirm, or suggest a descent from his strongest years. That would be a very public failure.

If he succeeded, certainly there would be some moderate fanfare. But the commercial value is limited compared to a TDF win.

Put it this way: Do you know who holds the record now off the top of your head?

Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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What's the name of that other British guy, the one who invented the Superman position. Didn't he hold for a brief time before Boardman took it back?


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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [frogonawire] [ In reply to ]
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Obree set the hour record numerous times. I also think he has contemplated or attempted suicide just about as many times. He is Scottish.
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [stinkyhelmet] [ In reply to ]
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thanks, that's the guy.


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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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In the 90s it was something that riders attempted in the twilight of their career.

Records: http://www.uci.ch/...2=12&idnews=1571
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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The difference with Armstrong is that he will know, going in, whether he will break the record or not. He will know exactly what his drag numbers are, and what power he will need to break the record. If he can't get the numbers, he won't make the attempt.

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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe so but imagine doing this in Madison Square Garden with all those screaming New Yorkers. If people can get excited about watching cars go around an oval (ala NASCAR), why not Lancy zipping around a velodrome?

If he does go for it, he will show some real cajones for trying.
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Well, this was true of Indurain also. But he failed and was somewhat disappointed or disgraced by that.

There was a brief era where the record was broken many times in rapid succession: Obree, Boradman, Rominger, Boardman again.... Then the UCI imposed restrictions on handlebars and rider posture.

Now the standards are roughly "frozen" at the technology level about on par with when Merckx set the record.

Every prminent rider- Hinault, LeMond, etc. have contemplated it, but most have made the wise business decision to not risk it.

Even with the good science Armstrong's camp would bring to the table it still amounts to an absolutely incredible effort.

Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com
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Lance to try for One Hour Record? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if they blood test at such events?

I'm assuming the UCI needs to have all their official on site, but I wonder what controls would be in place.

I agree that he'll be well aware of what he needs to do going in and what he is capable of doing. Boardman knew as well, he was down on Merckx nearly the whole time and only surged at the very end to beat Eddy by a handful of meters, surely Eddt would have also upped his pace at the time if he knew that Boardman was only a few meters "up the road".

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Re:Indurain [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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" Well, this was true of Indurain also. But he failed and was somewhat disappointed or disgraced by that. "

Indurain set the hour record in '94 breaking Obree's record. Hardly a failure or a disgrace.

And the order was: Obree, Moser, Boardman, Obree, Indurain, Rominger, Rominger, Boardman.

It's not that hard to look these things up.
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Re: Re:Indurain [asgelle] [ In reply to ]
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It seems routine for a great cycling champion to contemplate the one hour record in the twilight of their careers. Not surprised, that Armstrong is giving this some serious thought, as many of the previous greats have as well. Some have succeeded, as your list indicates. Others thought about it publicaly and then took a pass.

It is clear, from Armstrong's stage racing performances that he is a great TT'er. The difference is that, the hour record is a pure, all out 60 minute effort, with no one pushing you and nothing on the line other than the record itself - not a TT on fatigued legs, somewhere in the middle of a Grand Tour where the results in the GC are of utmost importance. I think that Lance has the credentials to give this a serious effort, but it's a very different beast than people think.

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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Tom

Read "The Flying Scotsman" by Graham Obree - as an avid reader, I thought that you might have picked it up already. Tells you everything you need to know about the very thin line tread by some cyclists (Pantani similarities, without the doping). A truthful book in the vein of Kimmage's "Rough Ride" or Foster's "Four Men in a Boat" rather than the vainglorious "Gold in the Water"

"That which we achieve too easily, we esteem too lightly "Thomas Paine
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Armstrong may not be concerned about the "business" or "commercial" aspects of it, but instead it may be a personal goal.

And Ken's probably right... I suspect that it will be a calculated risk for Armstrong and he will only do it knowing he can win.
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Re: Re:Indurain [asgelle] [ In reply to ]
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I think this is a great idea for Lance. I don't think many folks realise the degree to which Lance is cognisant of his place in cycling history. He is a great student of the sport's history and knows what impact a new record would have on that. I am not speaking of any type of arrogance but rather the responsibility that most of the great champions feel to honor the sport. All the greats, save Hinault, took a crack at the Hour and most of them succeeded. Lance knows this and wants to be apart of that select club.

As for the Hour now, and how the UCI governs it, I think that this is one thing they have absolutely correct. Sure all those fancy aero weapons, used up until 1996, were cool but the now Athletes Hour is a way to truly compare athletes from era to era. How many sports can get this close to a true comparison? Baseball comes close with the few changes in the game, but for hitters you have the difference in pitching to consider. With the Hour, ridden on a standard track bike with no aero enhancements, it is the man against the watch in the truest sense!

I gather, though, that Lance is considering tackling the record at altitude. He should not do that. Boardman set the modern precedent with a sea-level record and Lance should maintain that. Going to altitude only complicates things. The UCI should mandate this.

I hope Lance goes through with the attempt. Should he get it, and by a good margin, he will be an absolute giant of the sport. Demonstrating that he has the biggest engine in the history of the sport would go a long way to offsetting the criticisms that he only rides a partial season.

Go for it Lance - murder that record!!!
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [stinkyhelmet] [ In reply to ]
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stinkyhelmet wrote:
[reply]Obree set the hour record numerous times. I also think he has contemplated or attempted suicide just about as many times. He is Scottish.[/reply]

Obree set the record twice (plus an unofficial record in a training effort just before the first official record) but attempted suicide three times. He was clearly better at the former than the latter. His book, "Flying Scotsman" is an incredible read, very personal, no Armstrongesque ghost-writer.

I was one of the 3000+ people polluting the Manchester velodrome with CO2 and other gases during Boardman's 56 km (35 mi) epic ride in '96, which I'm convinced Armstrong will not attempt, even at altitude. It was awesome to see, and I'd encourage anyone to go and watch if Armstrong, or anyone else, makes an attempt at either the athlete's hour or the 56km. It's not just watching a bloke ride in circles for an hour! Boardman admits he was a far lesser athlete when he set the athlete's record than when he went 56km.
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [BigBloke] [ In reply to ]
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I wish lance would say 'screw the UCI', i will take a super aero bike, super aero position and will attempt to break the 56k+ of Boardman...
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]I wish lance would say 'screw the UCI', i will take a super aero bike, super aero position and will attempt to break the 56k+ of Boardman...[/reply]

Well if he does that he'll have to go 51.33 miles (yeah, not km) to break the Human Powered Vehicle (HPV) record, and it won't mean much, 'cos the guys who set the HPV records are good athletes, but they tend not to be elites (ok, John Howard and a few others aside). Only the UCI records get the credibility.

Armstrong should be able to set the Athlete's hour record on his Grandmother's bike, and he knows it. Boardman was not nearly the rider he was 4 years earlier when he went 56k. Armstrongs worry, since he wants to create a legacy, is that he needs to move the record far enough that it won't get beaten by some schmuck or other within a year or so of his retirement. I doubt he'll go for it if he's not convinced he can add well over a mile to it.
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois you are a wonderful man.

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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [BigBloke] [ In reply to ]
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And after setting the 1 hour record he will set his sites on the RAAM,

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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Either way, I really doubt he'll be remembered as the man who failed to break the hour record.

We only go around once, you know (no offense to my Hindu friends).
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly right, Ken. He will be able to extrapolate very easily from his currently known CP60 power.

FWIW, I think he would easily break both records and for two reasons;
1. New technology;
2. He's the world's best at TTs, probably. (Ullrich might actually be better but he'd have to prove it.)

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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriGav] [ In reply to ]
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As said by trigav, you guys really need to read the book flying scotsman.

Obree, broke the record on a bike he built himself with parts from an old washing machine. I bet you Lance doesn't try this approach but will instead use any scientific advantage he can.

Obree is a legend and deserves a lot of respect, if you haven't heared of him then buy the book and you'll see what I mean

Details of previous hour record attempts can be found here. http://ida1.physik.uni-siegen.de/menn/hourrecmain.htm
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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This link gives more detail on each record performance including gearing, drag coefficient, wattage, rpm, crank length, etc.

http://www.bikecult.com/...rts_recordsHour.html
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Re: Lance to try for One Hour Record? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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I'm starting to warm-up to Armstrong. I love the fact the guy shows up at local cyclocross and duathlon races. Michael Jordon took a lot of heat for trying baseball but all least he took the risk and I respect him for attempting one of his dreams. Should Armstrong attempt to break the hour record and fail it would be considered a huge disappointment by all, but I will give him all the respect in the world for putting his name on the line. At the end of the day, Armstrong wants to be remembered for more than just his Tour victories; nothing wrong with that.

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