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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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juanillo wrote:
Does anyone know the start list? On paper, Falukner, Lea Thomas, Dygert, Neven and Stephens are superior? I have no idea of the watts that Knibb can move, neither is she is used to go full gas in a TT and use a UCI legal TT bike (is she is using a legal one in PTO??)...but seems sooooo exciting. The only triathlete that I can think of winning ITT national champs is Flora
"On paper" - which paper is this please?
Why do you think "going full gas for 40km - see chase in Bermuda - or indeed St George last year and just now in Boulder, means "she isn't used to going full gas"? She averaged 43kph on a road bike with clip-ons at the 2021 Collins Cup and is now obv a lot better than she was there (Aug 2021).
Listen to the ProTriNews interview - her set up on her TT bike is either UCI legal or very close to it. Who would have even thought of that as an issue? ;)
As others have offered for national TT champs:
Findlay ITT, Norden ITT, Matthews 100mile, and go and look at ThĂĽrig's record for TT as well as tri (spoiler multiple ITT world champ), Spirig was second in SUI ITT in 2018.
Start list has not yet been published but Knibb has been assured of a place (field limited to 35) . Here's last year's result (Leah Thomas ftw, only 23km (why not the same length as the men?)) https://www.procyclingstats.com/...s-we-itt/2022/result ITT won in 46kph both in 2021 and 2022.
Knibb'll be cycling/racing for Lidl-Trek next month.

Easy!! I forgot about Findlay and Norden...if we compare Taylor to all the triathletes, including Ryf, seems superior.
My doubts were about her experience in managing the effort in a pure TT cycling race...I dont think it is the same as riding after a swim a prior a run. And we cannot compare Canada and Sweden with USA in terms of competition (all respect to Paula and Lisa). A podium will be huge for her (considering that Faulkner and/or Dygert will race)

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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [juanillo] [ In reply to ]
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I'll be very curious to see how she compares to Dygert and Faulkner, both of whom are very dialed in their positions. We have good power data from Chloe through the years and Faulkner has done nice climbs in races where we have excellent calculations for her 20-30-40 minute power capacity.

This should be a bit under 30 minutes for the winner. This ride should give us some interesting data points.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [likes_bikes] [ In reply to ]
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<pink> don't tell anyone....I checked if Lionel could make it to the Olympics </pink>


The Olympics are for athletes, not fitness influencers.

This made me laugh.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [TulkasTri] [ In reply to ]
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According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.
The USA ITT is on Thursday morning and she then has to hop it to Montreal in time for the 6pm race brief (miss it and that'll be a 10 sec penalty taken in T1).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ro-Road-Schedule.pdf
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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What is that, about a 3 hour flight or so? That would be cutting it super close depending on the flights available. Do they ever give dispensations to athletes for this sort of thing, persona reasons, etc? Or is it black and white, miss it and you are screwed?

She needs that jet of Ryf's to be on stand by, really hope she can do the double without any hiccups..I know you can get those private charters, just need a sponsor to pick up the tab..
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [monty] [ In reply to ]
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No commercial flights will get her there in time, as you imply.
https://www.rome2rio.com/...e/Montreal#r/Fly/s/1
A 10 second penalty taken in T1 would be a bummer for her but might make the race for spectators more interesting. One can envisage her making her way to the front of the chase pack and then dropping huge watts to bridge across alone. With her weak(er) run (cf top WTCS ranked starting) she has to make T2 with as few rabbits as possible (appreciate stating the blindingly obvious) so must break clear and not drag the pack up, and then shed those just 'hanging on' in the front pack. Whether she has time in only 20km to do all that . . .
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.
The USA ITT is on Thursday morning and she then has to hop it to Montreal in time for the 6pm race brief (miss it and that'll be a 10 sec penalty taken in T1).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ro-Road-Schedule.pdf

How technical is the USA ITT ?
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [TulkasTri] [ In reply to ]
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According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.

I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.

I'm happy to be proven wrong but I also don't see it. the Dutch alone could field a dozen girls that outride her at the moment. if she's just doing TT stuff that could be a good shout. but I'm thinking of famously strong tri cyclists (Andrew johns, Spencer smith) who moved over to cycling and had middling success.

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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Why is it in 2023 that the women and men still race different distances in bike racing? Doesn't this seem a bit archaic? Why isn't it a 40k for all?

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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [edbikebabe] [ In reply to ]
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juanillo wrote:
Does anyone know the start list? On paper, Falukner, Lea Thomas, Dygert, Neven and Stephens are superior? I have no idea of the watts that Knibb can move, neither is she is used to go full gas in a TT and use a UCI legal TT bike (is she is using a legal one in PTO??)...but seems sooooo exciting. The only triathlete that I can think of winning ITT national champs is Flora


Paula Findlay won the Canadian TT National Title last year. And she's coming back to defend it this year. She's talked about going to the Olympics to race the TT, but I don't know what exactly the qualifying looks like for that.

I was curious, so I looked it up. See below.
Another top result in Edmonton means she has a good chance of being selected.
Her past Olympic triathlon experience was a long time ago and a bit of disaster so I'm not sure how it would come into play.
It's not guaranteed and she might have to go to Glasgow to assure selection.
Top Canadian in Glasgow would clinch a Paris spot.

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Athletes will be nominated in the following order of priority until Canada’s quota has been filled:
Individual Time Trial:
1. Best performance in the Elite Individual Time Trial at the 2023 Road World Championships, or equivalent result*.
2. Additional starters, if applicable, or alternates may be named at the discretion of the Nomination Panel considering Section C, Clause 3.


3. OTHER FACTORS THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED IN NOMINATION In addition to the Specific Nomination Criteria, nomination may take into consideration any one or more of the following additional factors, in no particular order:
• Past Individual performances and/or results in international competition;
• The rider’s potential to contribute to future World Championship, Olympic or Paralympic performances;
• The rider’s technical ability;
• The rider's tactical ability;
• The rider’s physical ability / fitness;
• The rider’s suitability for the course / venue / environmental conditions of the event;
• The rider’s attitude, composure and behavior in high-pressure competitive environments;
• The results of any of the rider’s sport science tests conducted by CC, including biomechanical and physiological;
• The rider’s consistency and reliability in competition;
• The ability of the rider to contribute to a team result;
• The rider’s attendance, performance, attitude and conduct in training whilst a member of national team program (DTE, training camp or competition);
• The rider’s level of communication with CC, including sharing training programs and reports with the relevant National Coach.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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Why is it in 2023 that the women and men still race different distances in bike racing? Doesn't this seem a bit archaic? Why isn't it a 40k for all?

Depth of field.

I know it seems misogynistic, but for road racing I've asked top women cyclists and they say the longer you make the races, the more likely the same few athletes win everything.
The fields in just the last couple of years are showing progress though.

TT and CX should definitely be same distance as the men though.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.

I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.


I'm happy to be proven wrong but I also don't see it. the Dutch alone could field a dozen girls that outride her at the moment. if she's just doing TT stuff that could be a good shout. but I'm thinking of famously strong tri cyclists (Andrew johns, Spencer smith) who moved over to cycling and had middling success.

I'll happily be wrong, and wish her the best, but I don't think she has the power to keep up with Chloe or Leah if they're motivated. Even Chloe at far less than 100% will be tough to beat...if she's motivated. Certainly Taylor's aerodynamic setup is not on par with either of them. Unless something has changed, there's a lot of work to be done there.

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TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I'll happily be wrong, and wish her the best, but I don't think she has the power to keep up with Chloe or Leah if they're motivated. Even Chloe at far less than 100% will be tough to beat...if she's motivated. Certainly Taylor's aerodynamic setup is not on par with either of them. Unless something has changed, there's a lot of work to be done there.
I note you cover your bets by being "happy if I'm wrong" but.
Have you any basis (quantative) to "think" that Dygert's and Thomas' (motivated) power is greater than Knibb's? Assume this is really just a 'guess' or 'hunch'.
Will be great to see on Thursday.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I'll happily be wrong, and wish her the best, but I don't think she has the power to keep up with Chloe or Leah if they're motivated. Even Chloe at far less than 100% will be tough to beat...if she's motivated. Certainly Taylor's aerodynamic setup is not on par with either of them. Unless something has changed, there's a lot of work to be done there.
I note you cover your bets by being "happy if I'm wrong" but.
Have you any basis (quantative) to "think" that Dygert's and Thomas' (motivated) power is greater than Knibb's? Assume this is really just a 'guess' or 'hunch'.
Will be great to see on Thursday.


Dygert, at least pre-injury, was doing enormous numbers in an extremely optimized position. The world record holder in the individual pursuit and TT world champ. She's been back racing well again this year.

Taylor in the PTN interview seemed extremely open eyed about what she is getting into and ready to learn and improve.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I'll happily be wrong, and wish her the best, but I don't think she has the power to keep up with Chloe or Leah if they're motivated. Even Chloe at far less than 100% will be tough to beat...if she's motivated. Certainly Taylor's aerodynamic setup is not on par with either of them. Unless something has changed, there's a lot of work to be done there.
I note you cover your bets by being "happy if I'm wrong" but.
Have you any basis (quantative) to "think" that Dygert's and Thomas' (motivated) power is greater than Knibb's? Assume this is really just a 'guess' or 'hunch'.
Will be great to see on Thursday.

Well, 2 of the three have been my clients, so I have a pretty good idea of their power and a very good idea of the CdA’s. Chloe’s spot in Paris is all but guaranteed, so no reason for her to perform other then maybe to prove a point. Without her injury, even at 26 she’d already be on the short list of greatest female cyclists of all time. Leah probably has her spot pretty well locked up too, I would guess.

I haven’t seen the start list, but if Zoe Perez is racing and on form, watch out for her. Probably the lowest CdA of everyone and good power to weight. Her Achilles is the lack of explosive power. Not a problem here I don’t think. There’s 3 or 4 others that could show up and crush Taylor I suspect, but not sure how many came back from Europe or who have any desire to race TT since a win isn’t guaranteeing them an Olympic spot (lest we forget 2016).

I’m not saying Taylor doesn’t have the talent, but her CdA alone, which judging by photos must be above .21, should place her well behind the others.

Jim Manton / ERO Sports
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Great answer @Jim. and thank you for taking the trouble to share.
Good summary article at Tri247 by Tomos here: https://www.tri247.com/...knibb-trek-segafredo
Thirty hours to Knibb's start at Knoxville. Has she got enough power to overcome that poor CdA?
Are the other athletes "motivated" or can lack of that be used as a post hoc excuse?
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.
The USA ITT is on Thursday morning and she then has to hop it to Montreal in time for the 6pm race brief (miss it and that'll be a 10 sec penalty taken in T1).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ro-Road-Schedule.pdf


How technical is the USA ITT ?
More technical than 95% of USA triathlons, with a steeper climb and one major descent into a turn, plus 3 hairpins, all done twice by the women. (2 climb/descents, 6 hairpins) But not that technical. The descent into a turn can be done in aero position, but a lot of folks will come out of aero momentarily and many will scrub some speed with a quick brake.

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marcag wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
TulkasTri wrote:
According to Jack Jelly from HTT she will dominate the world of cycling; ITT and Grand Tours.
I don’t agree with the GT prediction, but I think she’ll do great in the ITT. Very excited for her.
The USA ITT is on Thursday morning and she then has to hop it to Montreal in time for the 6pm race brief (miss it and that'll be a 10 sec penalty taken in T1).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ro-Road-Schedule.pdf


How technical is the USA ITT ?

More technical than 95% of USA triathlons, with a steeper climb and one major descent into a turn, plus 3 hairpins, all done twice by the women. (2 climb/descents, 6 hairpins) But not that technical. The descent into a turn can be done in aero position, but a lot of folks will come out of aero momentarily and many will scrub some speed with a quick brake.

Thanks

I wish I could watch it, but it sounds like it's FLO exclusive
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [monty] [ In reply to ]
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What is that, about a 3 hour flight or so? That would be cutting it super close depending on the flights available. Do they ever give dispensations to athletes for this sort of thing, persona reasons, etc? Or is it black and white, miss it and you are screwed?

She needs that jet of Ryf's to be on stand by, really hope she can do the double without any hiccups..I know you can get those private charters, just need a sponsor to pick up the tab..

The rules outline what exemptions that can be granted in terms of missed briefings, this doesn't seem to fall within the scope of allowable exemptions.
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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [mag900] [ In reply to ]
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Steady rain on-course..

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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [mag900] [ In reply to ]
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Dygert isn't racing?

Marj Rinaldo in 4th used to race triathlon as an age grouper.
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Dygert isn't racing?

Chloe is starting with bib #2 in a couple of minutes.

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Re: Knibb signed by Trek-Segafredo [ShawnF] [ In reply to ]
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Steady rain on-course..

It ought to be good practice for Saturday's race in Quebec.

Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
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31:41 for Taylor. Currently in 1st by 1:26. Big hitters on course now.
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