no. you stated lockdown, which there has not been.

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This in large part is why I don't have any problem with triathlons and other events happening. To do an elimination strategy that would get rid of community spread would require draconian measures that would not be accepted by too much of the population.

Last March, most places were locked down as much as the populace would tolerate. It wasn't enough to eliminate. So now, we are where we are. Continuing on as if there is a 'lockdown' going on while the majority behavior doesn't reflect it is calling for huge personal sacrifice that produces no societal benefit.

semantics - that’s the vernacular used in my social circles when describing the various policies that restricted businesses and events.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

trentnix.... this post of yours is one of the best i've read.
thank you....

with all due respect its not just semantics.

You are presenting an argument where you are trying to support your point using terminology that's made up, as if it is a fact.

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You make good points and then shoot yourself in the foot with that nonsense.
You know very well that other factors than mask wearing contribute to disease epidemiology.
Easy and obvious one:
population density and distribution.

Also, it’s obvious to the biggest Luddite that no records (outdoor event transmissions) doesn’t mean that there are no connections. It’s just too difficult to study, unless you force registered people into quarantine after.
Of course you know all of that, and it’s sad that you feel the need you to use that to make your case.


So close, so far.

You’re being pedantic about the use of the works “lockdown”.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Look. you make a statement as if it is a fact when it actually seems to be your opinion based on the 'vernacular' in 'your social circle' . then you seem to take offense when called out on it.

there is so much misinformation and misunderstanding around the pandemic, we don't need any more of it. it doesn't solve any problems.

and by the way masks absolutely do work for covid, there is abundant data showing this. but maybe not in your opinion, based on the vernacular in your social circle?.

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on the contrary, I recognize all of that and it’s why I’ve been careful to relay my experiences as anecdotes.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Dude, take a breath. I didn’t take offense, I just didn’t realize there was an official, trademarked, internationally recognized definition for the word “lockdown” (or maybe you are just being pedantic after all). I used “lockdown” in the “the government won’t let me do some things” sense and every bit of context I’ve used since he been consistent with that.

I’ve already addressed the “masks work!” argument sufficiently.

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

Per Merriam Webster online:

b: a temporary condition imposed by governmental authorities (as during the outbreak of an epidemic disease) in which people are required to stay in their homes and refrain from or limit activities outside the home involving public contact (such as dining out or attending large gatherings)


it may be pedantic to point this out, but that doesn't make it wrong. Lockdown does not mean "the government won't let me do some things". it has connotations which are much different and specific (i.e., you cannot leave your house or go more than X distance from it). I just think that we should strive to be mindful with the words we use, because in this case, as I said previously, when people in the USA say anything to the effect that "we've been in lockdown", it just isn't true and is ignorant of how other areas of the world have handled it.

I applaud the OP for this thread.

1. Make a few quick posts to rile up some folks, 2. stop responding, 3. enjoy the crap that gets thrown back and forth.

Very well done.

On the contrary, that's exactly what it means, per the definition you provided:

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Trent Nix
Owned and operated Tri Shop
F.I.S.T. Advanced Certified Fitter | Retul Master Certified Fitter (back when those were things)

We could debate the wording of the definition forever, but you didn't bold the "and". As I read it, it means 1) required to stay in their homes and 2) refrain from or limit activities...

Agree to disagree. I just think it's not the best word for us americans to describe what we've been subject to.

Under your reading, how would "limit activities outside the home..." have any meaning if you aren't allowed outside the house?

Here is a tragic story of an active, healthy Intermountain nurse who contracted COVID last year. Luckily, she is doing better after a double lung transplant. Pretty sure that Jill thinks it is reckless to have a large triathlon in Utah during a pandemic.

https://www.sltrib.com/...t-gehrke-utah-nurse/

my guess is it's an acknowledgement that some people have to leave their home in order to keep the world spinning. We'd have to ask MW what they meant, but the inclusion of the word "and" leads me to think you cant just ignore the first part of the definition. In any event, this digression, which I admit I started, is getting a little silly and off topic.

we in the US haven't been subject to restrictions to our physical movement in the way other countries like canada or the UK or others I'm not aware of, and that's all i wanted to try to acknowledge.

I live in California. We have no triathlons this spring or many other mass participation events. We have no spring COVID surge. We are completely reopening on June 15th if the numbers stay constant.

Florida ignored COVID. They have had many triathlons and other mass participation events. They are experiencing a spring surge.

https://www.google.com/...rticle250518344.html

If people continue to go to Texas Rangers games and Challenge Triathlons during a pandemic, then we won’t be able to get back to normal. If people get vaccinated, wear masks, and avoid mass gatherings, then we might have a normal race season this fall. Wouldn’t that be nice?

That is terrible. But you seem to struggle deeply with understanding the difference between possible and probable. These concepts seem to be synonymous for you. How do you manage to drive to work, fly a plane, ride a bike, or even get out of bed, when it will surely lead to certain death?????

You aren’t a medical doctor or a triathlete Trent. You should probably not be commenting on masks or triathlons. I will refrain from discussing bike fit and the Dallas Cowboys.

They probably are not. The article is jumping the gun with a complete lack of data.

Edit: I misspoke initially. The article was just stating data. You completely misunderstood and misused the data it provided. Is your definition of "surge" a mild increases in cases with no associated deaths? Or is it the massive jump like we saw in November & December? Florida is probably experiencing the former, but we do not have data to know that yet. To help you understand context, probably 30% to 50% of Floridians have had Covid. They have vaccinated about 33% of their population with at least one dose. It is statistically improbable that they will see a material surge, because there are so few people left to catch it relative to prior actual surges.

I find it's risky to hypothesize about this. Kind of a Lavender Room discussion, but we've had some very smart, data-minded people who made this same assumption about the rate of symptomless cases that are just never reported. These people used the assumption to poo-poo the idea of another significant surge. Last spring. Then last summer. Then winter. Etc. So far they're all about 0-fer.

Eventually the assumption will be right, though. Maybe it's this time, but it'll be like calling 8 out of the last 2 depressions.

Care to share your credential?