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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [HuffNPuff]
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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preworkout drinks are notorious for containing banned substances as well as dangerously high amounts of the legal stuff.
Exactly this. So many of these people test positive, blame a supplement they're taking, and then don't name the supplement. It all rings really fake to me. Might as well blame the contaminated beef...
Not buying it. You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. Anything more and you’re looking for an edge, asking for trouble.
The real question is how this “article” got published in the first place. Who arranged it, did money change hands, etc.
ericMPro wrote:
indianacyclist wrote:
trail wrote:
It would be nice to name the manufacturer and drink. I don't see what legal risk she would have for naming it if the ingredient is actually listed on the label, and she's claiming fault.Exactly this. So many of these people test positive, blame a supplement they're taking, and then don't name the supplement. It all rings really fake to me. Might as well blame the contaminated beef...
Not buying it. You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. Anything more and you’re looking for an edge, asking for trouble.
The real question is how this “article” got published in the first place. Who arranged it, did money change hands, etc.
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [chrisb12]
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chrisb12 wrote:
Basically this is why most pro athletes don't take these pre workout, super energy type supplements. Too much risk. Basic is better, read the labels, if you actually don't know the ingredient then don't take it. Basic whey proteins, simple electrolyte drinks and energy gels without all the frills are pretty much all that's needed on top of food. If they are independently 3rd party tested the chances of a positive are very slim. Anything else is a risk.not to mention, those are mostly the only ones that work.
Sleep
protein
carbohydrate
electrolytes
creatine (short)
beetroot juice (short)
beta-alanine
glutamine
amino acids
caffeine
that's about it. Yann Le Meur is my favorite source for this kind of stuff
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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ericMPro wrote:
my pre-workout drink: Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
How does that square up with "You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. "?
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Hoffmeister]
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Hoffmeister wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
my pre-workout drink: Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
How does that square up with "You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. "?
It doesn't. I'm rolling the dice, and I know it. That said, I'm using an ON product that is GMP and NSF certified, not "SUPER ROID JACKED NITRO XPLODE!!!!" or something like that.
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Trauma]
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Wow!
I just had to check my preworkout to make sure (Nitraflex). It doesn't have higenamine.
Another preworkout had it too:
#5 RSP Nutrition DYNO – 400 mg Caffeine with Higenamine
https://www.bestworkoutsupplementsblog.com/strongest-pre-workouts/
https://www.strava.com/...tes/zachary_mckinney
I just had to check my preworkout to make sure (Nitraflex). It doesn't have higenamine.
Another preworkout had it too:
#5 RSP Nutrition DYNO – 400 mg Caffeine with Higenamine
https://www.bestworkoutsupplementsblog.com/strongest-pre-workouts/
https://www.strava.com/...tes/zachary_mckinney
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [plant_based]
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What about drinking water? They have found various pharmaceuticals when they tested some water supplies. It's only a matter of time before someone tests positive due to supplements in the "water". Even reverse osmosis doesn't remove everything.
https://www.healthline.com/...up-in-drinking-water
https://www.healthline.com/...up-in-drinking-water
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [jhammond]
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I would argue that recovery drinks and protein powders count as supplements, which I'm guessing the majority of serious triathletes use.
Yes, but for the most part the effectiveness of these drinks has been debunked, and athletes fare just as well eating whole natural foods.*
A must read for all triathletes and endurance sports athletes is Christie Aschwandan's "Good to Go" - https://www.amazon.com/...574289885&sr=8-1 which get' s into the murky and questionable science and business of Recovery - which very quickly has become a world wide multi $billion industry - and a lot of the stuff is BS or Snake Oil!
*I Emceed the Training Peaks annual Coaches Conference back in September, where Christie was one of the featured speakers and in the Q & A session that followed her talk, this question of post training/racing nutrition came up - just eat whole natural foods, was her answer, and don't get all stressed out about it all!
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Yes, but for the most part the effectiveness of these drinks has been debunked, and athletes fare just as well eating whole natural foods.*
A must read for all triathletes and endurance sports athletes is Christie Aschwandan's "Good to Go" - https://www.amazon.com/...574289885&sr=8-1 which get' s into the murky and questionable science and business of Recovery - which very quickly has become a world wide multi $billion industry - and a lot of the stuff is BS or Snake Oil!
*I Emceed the Training Peaks annual Coaches Conference back in September, where Christie was one of the featured speakers and in the Q & A session that followed her talk, this question of post training/racing nutrition came up - just eat whole natural foods, was her answer, and don't get all stressed out about it all!
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Fleck]
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Fleck wrote:
I would argue that recovery drinks and protein powders count as supplements, which I'm guessing the majority of serious triathletes use. Yes, but for the most part the effectiveness of these drinks has been debunked, and athletes fare just as well eating whole natural foods.*
A big part of it is convenience, though. Sometimes it's nice to just eat a bar when you have 10 minutes to shower and get in the car to get to work after your 5AM workout.
In a perfect world we'd all have time to make a quinoa breakfast bowl with raw milk and freshly-picked fruit every morning after my first workout. Maybe when I retire. Currently I can swing that a couple times per week.
Same with in-workout drinks. I could make my own fruit juices with my own salt added in. Sometimes easier to scoop some Gu powder or whatever into a bottle and go.
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [trail]
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She just won the women's 40-44 division at Sprint Triathlon Worlds in Hamburg. I know it's legal for her to be competing, but, I know several of us in that division are...curious.
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation
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I declare Shenanigans
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Trauma]
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Trauma wrote:
I am far from a doping sympathizer, but I came across this interesting piece on the ITU page talking with an athlete who was caught after Du Worlds in Pontevedra for an inadvertent doping violation https://www.triathlon.org/...nti_doping_violation Kudos to her for speaking about it, owning up to the fact that she's responsible for what she consumes. While again, she should be penalized (and one could argue that the shortened penalty might have been a bit too lenient), I think it might take more stories like this for people to smarten up about supplement use... (what do you mean I failed a drug test, I thought the manufacturers of Mega Muscle Protein Performance Enhancer were entirely reputable, and it didn't say low grade beaver tranquilizers on the packaging...)
Interesting to see the similarities with Lisa Marangon who received a 4 year ban.
Lots of common factors.
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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Wait a minute....
Exactly this. So many of these people test positive, blame a supplement they're taking, and then don't name the supplement. It all rings really fake to me. Might as well blame the contaminated beef...
Not buying it. You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. Anything more and you’re looking for an edge, asking for trouble.
The real question is how this “article” got published in the first place. Who arranged it, did money change hands, etc.
Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
ericMPro wrote:
indianacyclist wrote:
trail wrote:
It would be nice to name the manufacturer and drink. I don't see what legal risk she would have for naming it if the ingredient is actually listed on the label, and she's claiming fault.Exactly this. So many of these people test positive, blame a supplement they're taking, and then don't name the supplement. It all rings really fake to me. Might as well blame the contaminated beef...
Not buying it. You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. Anything more and you’re looking for an edge, asking for trouble.
The real question is how this “article” got published in the first place. Who arranged it, did money change hands, etc.
ericMPro wrote:
my pre-workout drink: Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Trauma]
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Was she banned? Or DQ’d?? Do they ban age-groupers?
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [Trauma]
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I mean, just like with the eliminator format, nobody can take interesting stuff and make it boring like World Triathlon.
Who read the entire interview?
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Who read the entire interview?
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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Mine:
- Proper warm-up
- Water
- Banana
- Coffee (sometimes)
The simpler the better I think. No need to take those thousand-ingredient beverages...
- Proper warm-up
- Water
- Banana
- Coffee (sometimes)
The simpler the better I think. No need to take those thousand-ingredient beverages...
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [dewman]
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dewman wrote:
"Jacked in a Box" is the best bodybuilding supplement name ever.Agreed.
Marketing genius.
Like mad scientist marketing genius.
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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ericMPro wrote:
my pre-workout drink: Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
Dumb question, but how does consuming quartz (beach sand) help with your athletic performance?
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [LOW2000]
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LOW2000 wrote:
Wait a minute.... ericMPro wrote:
indianacyclist wrote:
trail wrote:
It would be nice to name the manufacturer and drink. I don't see what legal risk she would have for naming it if the ingredient is actually listed on the label, and she's claiming fault.Exactly this. So many of these people test positive, blame a supplement they're taking, and then don't name the supplement. It all rings really fake to me. Might as well blame the contaminated beef...
Not buying it. You want a pre-workout drink, you drink coffee and water. Anything more and you’re looking for an edge, asking for trouble.
The real question is how this “article” got published in the first place. Who arranged it, did money change hands, etc.
ericMPro wrote:
my pre-workout drink: Optimum Nutrition (GMP and NSF certified)
ON Essential Amino Energy with a scoop of ON Beta-Alanine
Amino acid blend
caffeine
green tea extract
green coffee extract
malic acid
citric acid
silicon dioxide
calcium silicate
cellulose gum
xanthan gum
carrageenan
caffeine again
sucralose
soy lecithin
beet color
yellow # 5
Phosphorous
Magnesium
Sodium
Potassium
Beta-alanine
L-histidine
Exactly. By definition I'm looking for an edge and I accept the risks. That said caffeine, beta alanine, and BCAAs are like three of the like nine supplements that actually work.
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [DarkSpeedWorks]
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I am guessing it is being used as an anti caking agent in the powder... Not all additives are for your performance...
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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Can you name the other six?
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ecce-homo]
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ecce-homo wrote:
Can you name the other six?Protein, carbohydrate, water, electrolytes, sleep, creatine.
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Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ericMPro]
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ericMPro wrote:
Exactly. By definition I'm looking for an edge and I accept the risks. That said caffeine, beta alanine, and BCAAs are like three of the like nine supplements that actually work.
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I've heard the opposite of that for beta alanine and BCAAs from folks and studies here. What specifically do they work for and can you link any studies showing they do?
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [habbywall]
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habbywall wrote:
What specifically do they work for and can you link any studies showing they do?Couple of good meta studies on PubMed. I suggest starting there.
Re: Interesting Article - Interview with an age grouper caught for an inadvertant doping violation [ecce-homo]
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Stimulants like caffeine only make a difference to performance if your effort is the limiting factor. Which it shouldn't be... even in short course you race at max lactate steady-state. Go hard mid-ironman and you cramp up or bonk.
Effort-limited work has no place in triathlon training or racing unless you're ramping up the last km with an early sprint. Everything is paced.
Effort-limited work has no place in triathlon training or racing unless you're ramping up the last km with an early sprint. Everything is paced.