I think we all agreed a 11:27:30 is about right.

Luckily, I beat that by a second.

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Puuleezzzzzzeee, not this again. You didn't even get the cutoff times correct! 2:40 for the swim?!!?

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We never let the facts get in the way here.

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Lets put a petition together and send it too IM Northamerica.

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It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's.....Mequonman.

Just so I am clear. You think that even if someone pays the same entry fee as you, spends money on a bike and training gear like you and trains (although maybe not as hard as you, maybe as hard as you without the ability), you think they should not be allowed to race unless they meet certain cutoffs that would help those who are too lazy to register on a faster connection to get in? What about the pro who has an off day? They don't get to race the next year or should they get a bye because they had an off day and are a pro. What about if someone gets injured? Maybe they will get injured next year also.....Blue eyes? Its proven they have a higher risk of eye infections and they may get one during the race which would cause them to wreck and not finish. Yep, better cut off the blue eyes also.

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troll

sorry, these threads do piss me off. so, according to you, because I'm not fast I'm not a "serious triathlete"?

and why extend the swim cut-off but lower the other two? how's your swimming?

Good catch, sorry I meant to put 1:40, changed it.

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It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's.....Mequonman.

So let's say that an older person would like to race but physically, their body just can't go faster. Are you saying too bad, they shouldn't be allowed to race an IM?

[reply]Good catch, sorry I meant to put 1:40, changed it.[/reply]

lol...wrong again.

I know! Let's just charge anyone who finishes over 14 hrs or DNFs a second registration fee! Penalize the buggers! That's what I say. That will teach them a lesson they soon won't forget! Little rat bastard posers.

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Behold the turtle! He makes progess only when he sticks his neck out. (James Bryant Conant)
GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)

I don't understand your correlation between a 14:00 cut off time and the race filling up quickly. You're making the assumption that the race is being filled by people who will finish after the 14 hour cut off time you propose. I am assuming, because I'm not going to look up the stats, that the majority of the people in each race finish before the 14 hour cut off time you propose, and would have the same effect on the races filling up so quickly.

Now if you want to talk about having some type of pre-qualifying condition that's a different story. But I doubt moving the cut off times will actually solve the problem that you are trying to solve.

Yes, they should not be in that race. Number 1, they were not serious about training 1st of all if they cannot post those times. Number 2, injury is usually caused by undertraining issues and not being prepared properly, thus not serious. Eye infections, give me a break.

Markus

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It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's.....Mequonman.

You'll catch alot of hell about this, we are in a feel good society now where everyone is equal and nobody should ever be told no. I want to play in a NBA game but I'm not black or tall enough but I still want to play, why shouldn't I be aloud to join world class players when average athletes join world class triathletes on the same starting line?

Yeah. There is no way Sister Madonna Buder deserves to be an Ironman finisher.

Serioiusly - if you're going to troll, at least be original.

I'm not a troll.

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It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's.....Mequonman.

If you don't like the way IM is run, then you don't have to do it. Saying that people 65 and older or handicapped shouldn't be in the race is an elitist, and inconsiderate point of view. Young or old, fast or slow, I think the decision to enter a race even if it's crowded resides on the participant.

Does their participation hinder you? If you are saying that you are far more deserving to be in a race than them, then I seriously think that you have an ego problem.

As for "serious triathletes," they may be important to the race but a lot of people are racing out of pure desire to have fun, connect with others in sharing the IM experience, as well as achieving a life goal. Winning isn't everything, for more than many people that compete.

You see, Ironman isn't one of those things where you can only do if you are a pro, or an elite triathlete. It's about every man, and every woman. I think many people would like to ride the Tour de France but that's only by invitation. How great it is then that "regular" athletes can race side by side with "elite" athletes at most triathlons, especially Ironman. That, by itself is pretty cool. Crowding won't decrease even if the cutoff time is decreased. There are far too many people locked out of competition because of the time that the race fills up and even if there were X athletes deterred by the cutoff time, X athletes that are able would do it anyway.

Lots of people do Ironman to prove something. At an elder age or handicapped, I think it's all the more amazing for them to do the race to prove something either for themselves or to others. They have all the right to be there as you.

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"But, what if someone is over 65 and/or handicaped, oh well !! I feel sorry for them but they don't belong in this race due to it's overcrowded nature."

I'm speechless except to note you misspelled handicapped.
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Not sure if you're just trolling or not, but 7hrs is a pretty respectable bike split in Lanzarote.

I've done a 5:08 bike split on a quick course and took over 6:30 on a windy day in Lanza.

Leave the cut offs where they are. It's one of the things that makes Ironman so special.

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if you're pissed about the races filling up, enter an independant race that doesn't sell out. there are plenty of good ones.

Unless you're gunning for a Kona slot, of course....then you're stuck. Deal with it.

I couldn't disagree more with your suggestion.

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Good catch, sorry I meant to put 1:40, changed it.

Your times still don't add up.

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Behold the turtle! He makes progess only when he sticks his neck out. (James Bryant Conant)
GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)

yes, there participation does hinder me. I cannot get in to the race because they have this "want to have fun" attitude and don't show up to the start of the race or don't finish.

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yah they do. Read a little more.... 1:40 + 7:00 + 5:00 + 0:30 transition = 14:10. Unless math changed since I was in school. ?

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