Not too concerned, they would just create a rugby "world series / championship" in which only american teams played...

And just when you think this thread can't get any dumber......

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"If ever the time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams

For a second, I thought I'd stumbled onto a Let's Run thread...

But the lack of "Obama is a space lizard" and "you're slow if you can't run 5k under 15 mins" comments made me realise it was ST.

For what it's worth: I'm Australian but I live in France. I generally race sprints and olympic, and I've never heard the national amthem played before the race in either country (even at the Oz sprint distance champs).

No, he doesn't.

When I visit another country, I don't "owe" it anything. Esp. not following local rituals when the anthem is played. It's neither my anthem nor that of my home country. Stand and remove headwear all you like, but I'm under no obligation - legal, moral or otherwise - to follow suit. Not every people on Earth shares this affinity to (or is it "obsession with"?) state symbols like anthems, flags, birds etc.

What if he disrespected the US anthem silently, in his head? Would he have to leave the country regardless, because he's guilty of a thought crime?

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I wholeheartedly agree with your comment about the first ammendment. However, it does apply to speech and acts regarding the flag. The op and others who posted werent upset because he did something in a procate venue, they were offended because it was a negative act towards the flag and song. They said nothing about it being a private event.

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Well, here in the USA it is still on the books. No penalties exist for this code since the Supreme Court ruled it in conflict with the 1st Amendment. So technically, it is still a law. 36 U.S.C. 171 reads:

§171-"During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there."

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So your motto is: America: intolerant, but at least better than Muslim countries.

So, if it cannot be enforced for violating the 1st Amendment, it's more of a guideline, then?

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Very well said. 'Getting in one's face' or the new favorite 'calling out' someone is just as crass as the behavior that prompts said response. At least according to the etiquette book we have. I notice the Original Poster is not 'getting in the face' of the drug dealer in the Bronx at 2AM

I appreciate your response to this and I don't know how I feel about this. If this guy wants to sit then fine, I do however think it was rude of him to start booing. But, regarding the bold, was this guy not doing precisely that, exercising his freedom to speak his mind? That very freedom is what so many have given their lives to protect. The freedom to say whatever you want(within reason obviously) regardless of whether people agree with it?
There's also no reason to assume this guy is not an american. There are a lot of government hating anarchists(both right and left) who probably agree with his behavior.

I believe they played the Mexican national anthem the first year of IMCozumel. I think the "local" anthem makes the event much grander.

I look forward to going to NHL games vs. Canadian opponents as I get to here both anthems. The Canadian hockey players on American teams have no problem respecting the anthem and I am sure the same goes the other way.

99% of people who "disrespect" the anthem probably have a mental illness or are just clueless of the standards vs. a "protest" mentality.

At my previous parish we had a guy who talked during mass. He wasn't trying to disrupt he just wasn't all there.

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I honestly don't understand the logic behind playing the national anthem before amateur sporting events in the US. They even play it before our local kids' tri at the local pool. I suspect many RDs just do it because other events do it, but I'm not sure the rationale. I was actually at an event recently where they didn't play it, and was pleasantly surprised that we could just get on with the race. No-one seemed to mind the omission.

I think in general the level of nationalism in a country tends to be correlated with the age of the country. The USA is less than 250 years old, compared to, say, many European countries that are significantly older and where nationalistic tendencies have faded.

Again, it only protects people from government action regarding speech (desecrating the flag is considered a form of speech). If I walked down to the Federal courthouse and booed the national anthem while desecrating the flag the government could not do a thing. However, private actors could do things like out me on the internet, I could be fired from my job, I could banned from my club. The guy at IMFL literally has no protections from people getting in his face and telling him it's disrespectful to boo or to come on here and relate the story. Just because he has a right to be free from government interference does not mean he has the right to be from private interference. The point I am trying to convey is that it seems people do not understand my previous sentence.

We aren't disagreeing on that point.

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To me it seems normal for anyone to be proud of and to show patriotism towards the country they
were born in and call home. If you don't who's fault is that? Maybe look for a better country to call home.

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You seem to think that having a problem with the national anthem is unpatriotic. Am I wrong with that assessment?

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Where people really love their countries — and where they kinda don’t
http://www.vox.com/...m-pride-global-world

The US is in the middle below New Zealand and Australia.

Another post talked about more pride coming from younger countries and I do tend to see that in the survey with the European countries tending toward the bottom.

Some might be whether you generally regard your countries past history as positive or negative. Generally Americans regard our history very positively even regarding slavery where many feel we fought a brutal, costly war to end slavery(history texts have a mixed view on this opinion).

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Even if it's North Korea? Furthermore, normal doesn't necessarily equal right.

How can one be proud of a whole country? I've only ever been proud of my own achievements, which contribute little to nothing to the state of my country altogether. If others in my country do good and great things, how could it be my place to be proud of that? I didn't help them.

And how can one choose a new birth country, as you suggest?

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Patriotism is definitely a symptom of national insecurity. The question is where does that insecurity come from?
Young countries (or countries seeking independence) could be expected to be insecure. (U.S.A. in 1790, or Catalonia 2014).
Countries with oppressive (therefore semi-illegitimate) governments are at risk of internal disintegration (Soviet Union, North Korea) and thus insecure.

Neither of these things explain patriotism in the U.S.

How about some other theories:
1) Being in the military might be hard and dangerous work. It is cheaper to promote this activity through patriotism, than to offer fair and "reasonable" compensation. (Note what private contractors make versus U.S. soldiers).
2) Americans are too politically fractured and lack a sense of "common good" or "fair play." American politicians thus need a clear enemy to get anything done. The Taliban, Isis are good enemies. Economic crisis', poverty, ignorance, corruption are not. Patriotism and the military thus are the "good guys" that pull a fractured society together.

Maybe there are some better explannations.

The playing of The National Anthem means something to a lot of people in this country. This is not something new, not
something that's just now being sprung on everyone.

It's a 2-3 minute symbol honoring the people who have made The United States the sort of place that people
from other countries try to become a part of. There's not a huge problem with citizens of the United States trying
to escape to eastern europe, I'm not sure if you know that.

People from Cuba who have been lucky enough to come to the United States
don't have a problem with The National Anthem being sung here in public.

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Your entire response is rife with a pathetic breed of insecurity.

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I did not say "choose a new birth country". I said "look for a better country to call home". Obviously you can't pick
a new birth country. I think right there in Germany where you are is just right for you.

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That doesn't answer my question

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I'm not sure if you know that significant parts of Eastern Europe are part of the EU and probably have - in some regions - higher quality of living than some regions in the US. Living in Warsaw or Prague could be preferable to living in, say, Detroit. Just saying.

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