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I bet they own a Crossfit Box together....and use PowerCranks...Bastards!!!

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Enough already are we going to get an outing or what? This has devolved into a discussion about WTC policy, matchmaking, bad economic theory, Gaza, anti-government rhetoric and of course Lance. Where's my blood?

While I think it would be nice to be able to transfer registrations... with races selling out in 40 seconds this would create a black market in an instance. If the WTC allowed transfers people would volunteer just to get the registration, then sell it for 2 or 3 or .... times the money

The process could be very simple and make WTC even more $$$. The original owner advises WTC that he/she can't attend. WTC could accumulate the returned slots till xx days prior to the race then resells the slots. WTC resells the slot for the original cost and refunds 50% to the original purchaser. If the original cost is $800 and 100 people do this, WTC would make 100 x $400 = $40,000 extra. Not difficult to do.

it's a pre-req

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If anything, he's defrauding WTC and not getting credit for his race anyway. His name isn't on the books so its as if he raced the course on his own with no bib. A far as only getting pressed by 5 people...That is just because I wasn't racing. I do think WTC should change the rules a bit, certainly not allowing last minute changes though. That's to big an event to make alterations at the last minute.

Now, if you paid someone that is faster to race so you'd get a Kona spot, you can go eat shit.

Can the ST detectives get to work here? I'd be pissed if I lost a place to a guy from a younger age group racing against me. I don't care if I went from 50th to 51st it matters. To the guys that think it doesn't matter stop and let someone pass you before you head under the clock at your next IM.

What city are the perps from?

Its wrong i agree but i thing the wtc rule of no transfers even if given reasonable warning is unjust when coupled with the 125 "partial refund" rule. I think I paid the money i should be able to transfer if i give them enough time.. A month or 6 weeks maybe

The 2 culprit have been identified and information sent to WTC and USAT.

Results will be remove and 1 year ban are coming.

Happy Ending.....Of to Thailand now....LPT

You guys are awesome...have I said that before?

Well done.

This is not the SAT or a MBA entrance exam. It's a race...

The trend of races charging enormous fees to enter, and offering very little options on refunds, transfers, save for next season, needs to end. This is just a natural response by people being treated like numbers.

The nature of racing is injury is a real often faced consequence. The WTA doesn't give a damn about your little injury after they have your entry fee.

The WTA has created a systems that is so one sided that people will do this. I have nothing wrong with it. You should check your morals on the balance with WTA's.

can we get a clue? Not the finishing time. That's too easy for ST's CSI.

Definitely let a couple people pass you at the finish line next time since the race rules don't really matter.

There are many tri races that aren't as expensive or have as restrictive cancellation policies. Choose your race then follow all the rules. If you can't do that...WTF where does it end? Just make all the rules up or follow the ones you think are fair?

Damn!

Man! I'm starting to look forward to the "Post-IM Cheater Threads" more than the actual races.

Alright, who has any dirt on something going down in Cozumel this weekend?

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Can you report back once decision to ban has been officially made? Right now, it's pointing that way, but I'd like to know if WTC and/or USAT will actually do the deed. I'm not asking for names. Just want to know if and when a ban was actually/officially handed out. I'd like to know if this is one of those quick action thing or will take 10 months before something is actually done.

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Need help with where the line is now?

This isn't about using a bib to post better scores, or any other scheming manner that you could think up.

It's getting some value out of what you paid for in an act of civil disobedience. When you disagree with the system, you have the right to make your stand. This is mine (and apparently others as well).

You have every right to continue to get jobbed by WTA. Maybe that's where the anger comes from in the first place.

You missed the part where you follow the rules you signed up to race under.

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I'd include, don't race in the wrong age group.

If we're talking about a qualification only event, then I wouldn't do it or hand my bib off to someone else. But that doesn't seem to be what this lady was talking about.

Yea, there's also the consideration of someone being elite entering in an age group they would dominate. I'd certainly consider that as well as a filter.

But if that's not the case, then the WTA is just going to have to understand the cost of doing business goes both way.

Check your morals against WTC's morals? Civil disobedience? Twit!

x2. The liability is incredibly high when an unregistered participant races.
Also, this is straight from the WTC rules website:

Originally from: http://www.ironman.com/...s.aspx#ixzz2CoqzsHuE


Contestants should be aware of the serious consequences of violating USAT Competitive Rule 3.5 - Unregistered
participants, which states:
a. Any person who participates in any portion of a sanctioned event without first properly registering and paying
any required registration fee shall be suspended or barred from membership in USAT and barred from
participation in any sanctioned event for a period of up to one year.
b. Any person who in any way assists another athlete to violate Section 3.5a by providing or selling a race number
to that athlete shall be suspended or barred from membership in USA Triathlon and barred from participation in
any sanctioned event for a period of up to one year.
Anyone who violates this may be banned for life from any Ironman event. Violating this rule puts insurance coverage for
this event at risk.


Personally, I have a hard time with people who do not respect the sport, the race, it's directors and participants.

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Travis, which of these would you bend the rules on...

- Sitting at a stop light that is malfunctioning. You've been the 1st car in line for over 6 minutes yet it remains red. Do you run it?
- Writing someone a speeding ticket doing 37mph in a 35mph zone.
- Your driving down the road and your wife sitting shotgun is 9 months pregnant and breaks her water, do you break any traffic laws to get her to the hospital faster?
- As the bus driver telling Rosa Parks to go back to her seat in the back of the bus.

Rules are rules? Rules are written by people, not gods. Some simply don't fit certain circumstances and others don't fit at all.

If you say you wouldn't bend the rules on any of the scenarios I listed above then I recommend you start thinking for yourself for a change.
Here's a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

If you are really trying to make those analogies to compare to this case your worldview is more fucked up then I originally thought. Carry on with your crusade.

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If the insurance companies won't cover the person (even though the premiums were paid by the other person who originally paid for the entry slot) then that just exposes the flaw in the insurance policy that WTA signs with the insurance provider.

Since every race this happens (guaranteed) and the WTA knows this (if they don't then they need to hire more intelligent staff) then I say the WTA is putting it's athletes in danger by signing insurance policies that don't cover the athletes for all circumstances that could occur.