Bull Winkle,

dude being 50-80 lbs is UNHEALTHY. Being happy about it is lying to yourself.

Bull Winkle,

dude being 50-80 lbs is UNHEALTHY.

Being happy about it is lying to yourself.

you can't be happy about not being able to walk up a flight of stairs.

When was the last time you saw an fat/obese person over 60-65 y/o??? think about it. .

. If she focuses on the behaviors instead of the results, she'll likely have a better outcome overall - either way, just accepting that she is overweight and not doing anything about it isn't likely to help the situation.

Can you back up the above point by citing research that being over a certain weight will result an individual being unhealthy or that more weight results in a reduced life expectancy???


It's sad that there are people who are miserable and depressed because they are constantly trying to hit a certain weight because they listen to people like you judge them. We should we judge people who don't look the photo shopped and air brushed fantasy models in the magazines????


It happens after I drink too much. But hey, you do have to live a little bit.


I don't want to think about it. I want to see the actual data from peer reviewed studies that can back up the point you are trying to make. Hint; you might be surprised at the data you find.

end rant.

Can you back up the above point by citing research that being over a certain weight will result an individual being unhealthy or that more weight results in a reduced life expectancy???

Here we go again. We are judging this person's behavior by labeling her as lazy and lacking self control. You are also admitting that her appearance does not meet you standards. Basically, this being judged as lazy and ugly. That's fucked up.


it's interesting that when a triathlete wearing a pointed helmet riding a bike with a compact crank set is not insulted in the way as a big person when asking for help in say going faster. For example, How come I dont hear something like " you lazy fuck, why don't you just put in the effort and get rid of those chicken legs so you won't have to use a compact or why don't you just eat some super food or why are you too cheap to buy a power meter that's not going to help you anyway you lazy ugly triathlete!

You are going off topic.
No research needed.
Look around and tell me how many old overweight
People you see. I mean not in the hospital
Or nursing homes.

Being tipsy after a couple of drinks is
Not the same as being overweight and
Not being able to walk a block or two.
May I suggest a course in logic?

what do you define as old and what do define as overweight?

Logic would tell us that we must do research, gather data, perform a statistical analysis of the data and come up with conclusion. When you say "no research needed" you are going off of belief and faith, not science.

what do you define as old and what do define as overweight?

Logic would tell us that we must do research, gather data, perform a statistical analysis of the data and come up with conclusion. When you say "no research needed" you are going off of belief and faith, not
science.

I so wish it were just as easy as a lot of the jackass people on here (mostly male) think it is.

My input - as a chick that...works in a high-stress job, battles anxiety/depression, has a time bomb of a thyroid just waiting to go south, likes eating healthy but doesn't make the extra time/energy for it, doesn't sleep consistently like I should, was a high school swimmer & is highly sensitive to the overarching attitude so prevalent in society today....it's not just as simple as calorie in/calorie out. Sure, that may be a great math equation, but when you take the real life scenario of being a wife, a mother, a physician and add that to being a woman with variable hormones & only 24hrs in a day....the equation takes on a lot more variables.

Shaming her & calling her fat - which I'm assuming you wouldn't actually do - isn't the answer.
Simply telling her to move more isn't the answer.
Telling her she's lying to herself sure as hell isn't the answer.
Telling her to go see any number of doctors - mental, physical, accredited or not - isn't the answer.
There's no easy answer.


It is possible that the caloric restriction is too much for her body to handle - which can cause downstream effects in how her body processes what she does put into it - chemical, vegetable or animal. It's not just quality...it's not just quantity. My guess is that she eats more calories than she thinks, but maybe not enough of what's necessary for her body to function well.

A huge part of it has to be stress management - your body does really stupid things when all of the systems are routinely stressed and there's no way that hers aren't. Her daily life is going to create symptoms of over-training, the answer isn't going to be adding more stress to the system.

It's not irrational that a physician - between rounds & surgery & labs & more rounds & all the other daily tasks - would walk that much if they're doing both office and surgical work. I wore a fitbit for almost a year & the thing didn't overestimate my steps - it did the opposite & under-measured a lot of my activity. It was really hard for me to fool the thing & get it to over-measure. (an entire ironman - 86,400 "steps"...not so much)

For reference:
I eat somewhat reasonably, most of the time...and my weight maintains.
I eat like hell for awhile & don't work out....my weight maintains.
I add in a high cardio, high training load....my weight maintains.
I add in some weight training with some cardio...my weight maintains.
Through all this it will shift around maybe 3-5lbs (which can also happen within 2 days in my world) but I've been in the same "range" of 5-8lbs for about 10yrs now - the only significant drops were right before an IM combined with 4Q stress & right after significant dental work combined with a high swim volume.


I know what I have to change to make that scale move. I know how to get it done & I know that, right now, in this season of my life, I cannot put that much work in.
Is that sad? Yes.
Do I know what that does to my own health (& my race results)? Yes.
Do I have the power to make the adjustments & changes to be where I want to be? Yes
Is that me being realistic with the the energy & emotion & effort that I have to spare in my universe right.this.moment? Yes.
Is that ok? hell yes.

The answer is going to be a long-term effort that doesn't involve drastic changes & does involve managing what can be managed. It has to start emotionally & mentally & then work in with the physical changes. It cannot be just to lose weight or the rebound will happen again. Any changes have to be sustainable, realistic and gradual. Mostly she needs support and kindness. She'll have to own where she is now - both the why & the how, without shaming herself or allowing anyone else to shame her - and then she can start to move forward. But she has to let herself off the hook & really assess where she wants to be and why. Then she can start planning, honestly & realistically, how to get there.

If she wants someone else to help - who knows the crap, who knows the shame, who knows the judgement, who can suggest the little things & listen & all the other crap that comes in handy when you start to look up this big ass mountain & try to figure out how you got to where you are & how you even comprehend where you start to get to where you want to be - feel free to pass along my info. I'm a stranger & sometimes that's ok or even better. But just know that it's an option. PM me if you wanna. I don't make a living doing any of this - I don't give a damn about money - I just know what it's like to be a woman in this world with these same.exact.problems.

Sometimes people just need an outlet.

One need only read through this thread to understand why so many women have rampant body image issues.

YOU !!! Mr. Winkle are a keeper !

Yours are points I tried to make in my response but lacked the pointedness and clarity. Thank you for this breath of fresh air, sanity and common sense.

I am a female that took me a long time to figure things out, but I did.

A few points that I had to understand before I was finally able to lose weight and be "skinny"

1. She is probably not being honest with herself about her calories consumed. Only until she is willing to write down everything she eats, will she know her calorie intake. Let me just assume she weighs about 180lbs. To be at 1000 calorie deficit, she would only be eating 800 calories a day. That is assuming she has a "normal" metabolism. Her metabolism may be way lower. Working that much on 800 calories? That just seems not likely. (If she is unwilling to log calorie intake, she probably knows she is not counting all her calories.)

2. I have never never never lost weight by working out. Only by really watching my intake have I ever lost weight. Working out makes me fit and strong and look good, but watching my calories keeps me thin. I don't even get to do a "big workout" (such as 6 hr bike followed by t run) and reward myself with an "unhealthy" or higher calorie meal without consequences.

3. Let's say she eats really well with adequate calorie deficit then she decides to have a day where she eats more, even if it just seems like it is just a little more, she can undo everything she spent all the previous days accomplishing. I used to eat well all week and then have one bad meal that undid the weight loss I had. This did not happen when we were younger but this is a big change as you enter your 30s.

4. Females typically will reward themselves if they workout. Say she does crossfit which was a high intensity workout, she may be thinking she deserves to eat what she wants. I had to learn that after my workouts, I still have to eat healthy and low calorie.

5. She has to stop comparing herself to what other people get to eat. Some of my friends get to eat a lot more food and even unhealthy food and stay small. I had to learn not to be mad about that.

As far as getting her to workout, I do believe it will help physically and mentally, I would recommend low intensity weights and brisk walking to keep intensity low.

I hope this helps as doing each of these helped me. Took a long time to accept. Good luck!

http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/

This should be required reading as well. I used to believe that skipping breakfast could cause my metabolism to dive, but it just causes my appetite to spike. Someone else challenged my belief and I did as much reading as I could. Scientific consensus: starvation mode is a myth.

She's eating too much. That's the whole story. She needs to come to terms with that and be brutally honest with herself...like I did.

+1.

Until you're a chick that struggles with weight & body image issues, tries to balance a family, a life & still tries to figure out how to be healthy mixed in with high-stress career...then your points of view aren't even relevant & any other posturing or judgement is just evidence to my point.