This pedal appears to be pretty awesome...buuut, I can almost predict problems when switching between bikes constantly. I know the claim is that they should work just fine when switching between bikes but does anyone have any information to provide a convincing argument for this claim?
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Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [dagraham9]
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i've heard from pretty reliable sources that the pedals will be smashing...in a good way.
I don't see why you would have issues switching from bike to bike since the measuring of power will come from the pedal itself...bike won't matter?
ihatecoldwater
I don't see why you would have issues switching from bike to bike since the measuring of power will come from the pedal itself...bike won't matter?
ihatecoldwater
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [dagraham9]
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It won't be a problem. Convinced?
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [JeffW]
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Read the fine print.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [JeffW]
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JeffW wrote:
i've heard from pretty reliable sources that the pedals will be smashing...in a good way. I don't see why you would have issues switching from bike to bike since the measuring of power will come from the pedal itself...bike won't matter?
The reason for anticipating issues when switching pedals bettween bikes is not a calculated one. It just seems that the more you move around/swap out/adjust things like this, the more glitches they have. Not trying to be pessimistic, just doing my research.......I hope these pedals are awesome!
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [dagraham9]
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The Polar/Look KeO Power system requires some calibration during setup with a special tool and crank arm length setting. The Garmin system is said to require no calibration or setting of crank arm length, which makes me a little skeptical of the Garmin system since they are effictively measuring the same thing- Torque and angular velocity. Of course there are more ways than one to skin a cat but, how did Garmin get around what Polar/Look could not with similar hardware? How will the Garmin system establish the zero position on the pedal circle? Accelerometers? Accuracy?
Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [thekid]
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Since no calibration is required, how will the pedal know that it is on a different bike......or for that matter, what bike it will first be attached to.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [thekid]
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thekid wrote:
The Polar/Look KeO Power system requires some calibration during setup with a special tool and crank arm length setting. The Garmin system is said to require no calibration or setting of crank arm length, which makes me a little skeptical of the Garmin system since they are effictively measuring the same thing- Torque and angular velocity. Of course there are more ways than one to skin a cat but, how did Garmin get around what Polar/Look could not with similar hardware? How will the Garmin system establish the zero position on the pedal circle? Accelerometers? Accuracy? Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...-wanted-to-know.html
In short, there is an orthogonal set of strain sensors AND an orthogonal set of accelerometers. Using those then spindle orientation is not needed to be "fixed" (as in the Look/Polar), and cadence, along with crank length, is easily determined while operating.
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Tom A.]
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I don't see any mention of how accurate the Vector is expected to be in the "Everything you wanted to know" article, (or anywhere else). Have you heard anything about this? Will it be comparable to the +-2% of PT/Quarg/SRM?
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [kdw]
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kdw wrote:
I don't see any mention of how accurate the Vector is expected to be in the "Everything you wanted to know" article, (or anywhere else). Have you heard anything about this? Will it be comparable to the +-2% of PT/Quarg/SRM?Everything I've heard is they expect to be within that "standard"...
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [thekid]
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thekid wrote:
The Polar/Look KeO Power system requires some calibration during setup with a special tool and crank arm length setting. The Garmin system is said to require no calibration or setting of crank arm length, which makes me a little skeptical of the Garmin system since they are effictively measuring the same thing- Torque and angular velocity. Of course there are more ways than one to skin a cat but, how did Garmin get around what Polar/Look could not with similar hardware? How will the Garmin system establish the zero position on the pedal circle? Accelerometers? Accuracy? Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
Could not agree more. Prospective buyers should spend some time on the Ergomo board.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Tom A.]
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You don't know what you don"t know. Calibration at the factory is different than calibration on the specific crank.
Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...-wanted-to-know.html
In short, there is an orthogonal set of strain sensors AND an orthogonal set of accelerometers. Using those then spindle orientation is not needed to be "fixed" (as in the Look/Polar), and cadence, along with crank length, is easily determined while operating.
Tom A. wrote:
thekid wrote:
The Polar/Look KeO Power system requires some calibration during setup with a special tool and crank arm length setting. The Garmin system is said to require no calibration or setting of crank arm length, which makes me a little skeptical of the Garmin system since they are effictively measuring the same thing- Torque and angular velocity. Of course there are more ways than one to skin a cat but, how did Garmin get around what Polar/Look could not with similar hardware? How will the Garmin system establish the zero position on the pedal circle? Accelerometers? Accuracy? Until BOTH products are mass produced, released and have been used in the field for a while it is all just pie in the sky.
My $0.02
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...-wanted-to-know.html
In short, there is an orthogonal set of strain sensors AND an orthogonal set of accelerometers. Using those then spindle orientation is not needed to be "fixed" (as in the Look/Polar), and cadence, along with crank length, is easily determined while operating.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [vimbike]
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vimbike wrote:
You don't know what you don"t know. Calibration at the factory is different than calibration on the specific crank.You don't know what I don't know what I don't know...
I've never said that ANY power meter shouldn't be at least able to have it's calibration checked "in the field"...or, what RChung likes to call "having a '9' key".
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [kdw]
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I can't remember where i read it ( I'll try to find it) but i read that it is +/- 5% which i dont think is that great. Also Q factor will be increased 2mm...
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Tom A.]
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Tom A. wrote:
I've never said that ANY power meter shouldn't be at least able to have it's calibration checked "in the field"...or, what RChung likes to call "having a '9' key".
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Tom A.]
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Let's just say I am am a doubting thomas....oh, and I have drunk the Garmin FR910XT or Vector kool aid.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [cat]
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cat wrote:
I can't remember where i read it ( I'll try to find it) but i read that it is +/- 5% which i dont think is that great. Also Q factor will be increased 2mm...I believe that it was the Looks that were quoted to be within 5%. I've yet to see the Garmins nail down a figure.
Hugh
Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [sciguy]
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sciguy wrote:
cat wrote:
I can't remember where i read it ( I'll try to find it) but i read that it is +/- 5% which i dont think is that great. Also Q factor will be increased 2mm...I believe that it was the Looks that were quoted to be within 5%. I've yet to see the Garmins nail down a figure.
Hugh
Back when they were still MetriGear, the claim was +/- 1.5%...
http://www.powerfaq.org/...min_Metrigear_Vector
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Tom A.]
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plus/minus 1.5% - give me a break....maybe in the lab...how old is this link
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [vimbike]
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Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [dagraham9]
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Let's say the Vector turns out to be just as accurate as the Quarq and proves to have no gremlins....hypothetical.
What reason if any would I want one over the other given that swapping a crank over or pedal takes me about the same time?
I have been waiting....waiting....waiting....and I fear if I wait for the release of a Speedplay version it could be 2 or 3 more years. Looking hard at Quarq, but still come back to Vector in the back of my mind.
What reason if any would I want one over the other given that swapping a crank over or pedal takes me about the same time?
I have been waiting....waiting....waiting....and I fear if I wait for the release of a Speedplay version it could be 2 or 3 more years. Looking hard at Quarq, but still come back to Vector in the back of my mind.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [tigerpaws]
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tigerpaws wrote:
What reason if any would I want one over the other given that swapping a crank over or pedal takes me about the same time?
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [Steve Irwin]
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I use two different cranks on my TT bike, a 53/39 for most courses and a 50/36 for really hilly courses. My road bike has a 50/34 with longer crank arms. I have several wheelsets that I use as well. For my situation a pedal based power meter would be a perfect choice, provided that they are robust and accurate.
Re: Garmin Vector - pedal based power meter [vimbike]
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vimbike wrote:
plus/minus 1.5% - give me a break....maybe in the lab...how old is this linkHey...sciguy said he's never seen a figure. I was merely pointing him to one that was stated quite a while back. We'll see when we see...
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
read the whole post....from the 2010 post, from Metrigear's own PR
"Until they are released there is no way to validate the claimed accuracy."
"Until they are released there is no way to validate the claimed accuracy."