First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse)

Mar 18, 21 13:17

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Come support, ride with, provide draft for, or otherwise be congenial to my wife, Michelle Howe, who is doing the Trenching Challenge on Mt. Lemmon.

Starting SATURDAY at 10:30am from the imaged location

Our giant motorhome is parked in the shooting area just downhill from the Molino Canyon Vista Parking lot. Can't miss us. Come join! She'd love company other than me. Promise you that!

PS. does anyone know if any women have done this yet?

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 14:29

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Is the point of Trenching to descend 11,000 meters? Or to climb the 11,00 meters. I guess you can get one without the other but trying to understand it.
Thanks, John

Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 14:38

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Trenching is for wuss's, there's a 21,000m mountain on Mars called Olympus Mons. Tallest mountain in the solar system. That's a real mans challenge. I'm over this everesting stuff, step your game up

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [RossJ] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 14:46

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RossJ wrote:

Trenching is for wuss's, there's a 21,000m mountain on Mars called Olympus Mons. Tallest mountain in the solar system. That's a real mans challenge. I'm over this everesting stuff, step your game up

Don't give HER any more ideas. plz & thx.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [johnnybefit] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 14:48

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johnnybefit wrote:

Is the point of Trenching to descend 11,000 meters? Or to climb the 11,00 meters. I guess you can get one without the other but trying to understand it.
Thanks, John

The former. But also the latter, in my wife's case. I have not paid attention to if all recorded attempts have included equivalent climb vs. descent.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 15:04

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I have to ask why Mt Lemmon? Its not steep at all-this is going to take 5 reps of the whole mountain and 400k total? 20 hrs?

Im sure you know what you are doing but that seems crazy to me. It was hard enough for me to Everest on a ~9% grade.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [Jordano] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 15:08

Post #7 of 22 (1747 views)

Jordano wrote:

I have to ask why Mt Lemmon? Its not steep at all-this is going to take 5 reps of the whole mountain and 400k total? 20 hrs?

Im sure you know what you are doing but that seems crazy to me. It was hard enough for me to Everest on a ~9% grade.

I think that's precisely the point. Totally insane. She rode 500k and 20k feet elevation in wet conditions in December for the Festive500 and flipped a switch or something.

I think she mentioned 270 miles to get the 36000ft. Under 24hrs I think will be a success.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 15:18

Post #8 of 22 (1730 views)

That is something else, crazy for the sake of it. Definitely puts the runners who did the Mt Lemmon "downhill" marathon to shame ;)

I hope the wind and traffic play nice. I may ride out there and give a cheer on Saturday...or Sunday.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [Jordano] [ In reply to ]

Mar 18, 21 15:23

Post #9 of 22 (1722 views)

Please do! I'm sure she'll be VERY appreciative!

She'll be somewhere between the bottom of the hill and our RV at 4000ft during the morning hours, just to stay warm.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 10:03

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PS. She did it.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 11:48

Post #11 of 22 (1285 views)

Congrats! Awesome achievement!

Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 12:29

Post #12 of 22 (1254 views)

Amazing! Can we get some data?

Darren
https://www.strava.com/athletes/12385497

Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 13:25

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Wow, impressive, well done to her! How long did it take? And what does the recovery from something like that look like?

Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 15:55

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DrAlexHarrison wrote:

PS. She did it.

Legit impressive. 20 hours with less than 1:15 off the bike. Crazy.

If you dropped some nutrition details - you know - that'd be awesome!

Congrats to her. Mindboggling day!

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 18:09

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Just over 21 hrs total elapsed time.

Our two rides on Strava tell the story:

Hers, the epic one: https://www.strava.com/activities/4985337146

Mine, the auxiliary info and pics: https://www.strava.com/activities/4985330465

Some discussion here

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [vonagut] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 18:10

Post #16 of 22 (1078 views)

vonagut wrote:

Amazing! Can we get some data?

Yes sir.

Strava links posted in another reply.

Hit me with any questions. Open to criticism too. Certainly deserving in one major "woops"

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 18:12

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imswimmer328 wrote:

And what does the recovery from something like that look like?

She'll take Monday off from riding. Maybe Tuesday too. First ride back will be z1 only. She'll probably be clamoring to swim on Monday. ha

Nutrition for recovery: eat every carb in sight. Then go to Walmart and get more carbs.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [dfru] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 21 18:15

Post #18 of 22 (1071 views)

dfru wrote:

DrAlexHarrison wrote:

PS. She did it.

Legit impressive. 20 hours with less than 1:15 off the bike. Crazy.

If you dropped some nutrition details - you know - that'd be awesome!

Congrats to her. Mindboggling day!

See reply to other posts for nutrition data!

And yes, crazy is operative word. I was in rough shape at the end of my 16,000ft (less than half what she did). And I drafted her the entire time.

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [vonagut] [ In reply to ]

Mar 22, 21 17:11

Post #19 of 22 (922 views)

vonagut wrote:

Amazing! Can we get some data?

It's "official" I guess.

https://everesting.cc/...me/#/hill/4985337146

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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 22, 21 20:17

Post #20 of 22 (866 views)

Amazing. I make it 2.0 g caffeine, maybe a little less depending on how much was left in the bottles. That beats my PR at IM Boulder by 800 mg!

Looks like only 74 minute difference between elapsed time and moving time. I can't imagine riding a bike for that long with so little rest. I've done an ultramathon that took about that long, but I was in really rough shape towards the end. Can't imagine balancing and manipulating brake levers towards.

Not to make it about me or anything, just trying to wrap my mind around the effort. And on every account it's incredibly impressive.

What are some of the big lessons learned? Things you would tell someone to make sure to do/not to do for an everesting or trenching attempt?

Finally, full respect for climbing all of her descending. I hear that it's technically acceptable to descend the 11,034 m without necessarily climbing them all (by starting with the descent) but on Strava looks like she ended where she started. Hardcore.

Darren
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Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 21 2:45

Post #21 of 22 (827 views)

DrAlexHarrison wrote:

vonagut wrote:

Amazing! Can we get some data?

Yes sir.

Strava links posted in another reply.

Hit me with any questions. Open to criticism too. Certainly deserving in one major "woops"

Didn't do it on one hill, needs to repeat to make it legit.

Awesome effort!

Re: First Woman to do Trenching Challenge?? Mt. Lemmon ed. (it's like Everesting, but worse) [vonagut] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 21 3:05

Post #22 of 22 (821 views)

vonagut wrote:

Amazing. I make it 2.0 g caffeine, maybe a little less depending on how much was left in the bottles. That beats my PR at IM Boulder by 800 mg!

Looks like only 74 minute difference between elapsed time and moving time. I can't imagine riding a bike for that long with so little rest. I've done an ultramathon that took about that long, but I was in really rough shape towards the end. Can't imagine balancing and manipulating brake levers towards.

Not to make it about me or anything, just trying to wrap my mind around the effort. And on every account it's incredibly impressive.

What are some of the big lessons learned? Things you would tell someone to make sure to do/not to do for an everesting or trenching attempt?

Finally, full respect for climbing all of her descending. I hear that it's technically acceptable to descend the 11,034 m without necessarily climbing them all (by starting with the descent) but on Strava looks like she ended where she started. Hardcore.

I think it was closer to ~1-1.5g caffeine. See "% drank" column. She didn't finish the bottles. She did 1.5g for her Festive 500 ride back in December (also 20+ hrs).

I can't imagine it either. I was dreadfully hopeless with about 5 hours to go. How she had the mental strength to have climbed ~18000 feet and thought, "okay, half way there" sometime after sunset, is beyond me.

Regarding the ascent vs. descent thing: She's a triathlete. That perfectionism runs deep. She was staunchly against such an idea.

NAB777 wrote:

Didn't do it on one hill, needs to repeat to make it legit.....

....Awesome effort!

LOL! I'll let her know.

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