I suggest to you that this guy would have found a different way to put his life in danger without Strava.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Is this actually quoted from the website?

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@brooksdoughtie
USAT-L2,Y&J; USAC-L2
http://www.aomultisport.com

As much as I enjoy watching the US legal system where individuals never seem to be responsible for their own actions as it is always the fault of big companies with insurance (Caution! This coffee is hot!), I would submit though that you are amateurs in litigation when compared to the Belgians. When I lived there for three years I was required to carry special law suit insurance as a law suit was always the first thing that happened. If my child or dog ran into the road, got hit by a car and killed, the car driver would then sue me for the damage to his car, mental anguish and a variety of other failures on my part. I would be expected to counter sue. Any contract dispute always starts with a law suit before you even tell the other party what your complaint is. The lawyers there are always very busy.

Which brings up the most important question raised by this thread: is it "Kay-Oh-Emm", or "Comm"?

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Pretty sure it's in the text of the email notification you get, also containing a photograph of your loved ones with guns held to their heads by Strava's henchmen, making it very clear what the implications of NOT going for a KOM on that segment are.

I don't. Same as a group running a red light light and the last guy gettting clipped. He didn't get hit because the group ran a red light and he had to hang on, he got hit because he ran a red light.

You guys are missing a big point. The lawyer is probably charging the family nothing, and there is a good chance they looked at all options to generate income from this accident. Strava just seemed like the best way to make a quick buck. I'm no expert, but I am pretty sure you can sue anyone for anything.

If I break my neck on my bike I can sue a poster for saying my seat is too high....

The only people with twisted enough minds to think Strava is actually at fault are lawyers. After taking 2 law classes and dealing with several lawyers, I've learned most of them have a very different idea of how society operates compared to the regular individual.

I don't see them as saying that. I see this. "Here is a segment. Here is the fastest time anyone has done here."

That's it.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

So they are going to sue and then hope that Strava caves/settles to keep it from going to court (bad publicity)?

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@brooksdoughtie
USAT-L2,Y&J; USAC-L2
http://www.aomultisport.com

No doubt. I was not suggesting there wouldn't be a lawsuit, I was suggesting that I don't see a problem with Strava, as I understand it.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but the whole point of Strava seems to be to encourage users to go beat that fastest time.

"Track your progress and challenge your friends."
"Compare your performance against friends, locals and pros."
"Set personal records and climb the leaderboards."

Strava is clearly going beyond simply reporting results.

What if a fitness-tracking app/site had similar language, and in the process of trying to beat a friend's posted time, a user suffered a heart attack or a stroke or some other medical catastrophe?

So, do you see a problem with this?

It's all in the name - Strava = Swedish for "to strive".

See, there's the problem. Striving. To do better, to go faster.
We should all sit on couches eating bonbons, and nobody would ever get hurt or die.
And if it wasn't for this damn website, that's what we'd all do!

davearm, you're a personal injury attorney, right?
I'm just taking a wild shot in the dark (not literally, don't sue me!)

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float , hammer , and jog

If you're asking for my opinion, I would say that would fall into the realm of assumed risk from training.

This person didn't die from overexertion. There's a difference.

Flipping it around, what if there was an identical app with an identical premise for drivers of vehicles, and it was called Carva. What would folks say then?

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My tiny little slice of the internets: dcrainmaker.com

I'm not any kind of attorney. Not that it's relevant.

Actually, I take back my quote in this instance. I thought this case was referring to the SF rider that killed a pedestrian last week. In that case, I think the example works well.

In this case, no, just tough luck.

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My tiny little slice of the internets: dcrainmaker.com

I see it exposing Strava to liability. That would be a problem if you're Strava. It's not a problem for me.

You forgot the quote from the website that says "Ride like an idiot and ignore the rules of the road." please find us that quote.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Flipping it around yet again, what if where was an identical app w/ an identical premise for internet pos(t)ers, and it was called Posta. How would anybody ever beat Jackmott for KOM's then? ;-)

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float , hammer , and jog

Obey the speed limit would be prominently posted on my web site if it were my web site! :) But, you make the point that everyone should obey the law at all times.

-Robert

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"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." ~Anne Frank

Do they say anything about following regular road rules/laws (asking you because you seem to know/quote their website, so curious if there is a disclaimer anywhere)?

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@brooksdoughtie
USAT-L2,Y&J; USAC-L2
http://www.aomultisport.com

This rider was going over the speed limit. Was the 'record' set prior showing speed consistent with going over the speed limit? If yes, one may argue that illegal behavior is promoted (indirectly). What if the site was for car drivers? It would probably be shut down.