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Does this look like the bike of a cheater?
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Take a look at the image below...


Looks pretty innocent right? Well thatā€™s an ā€œaero e-bikeā€ believe it or not with a 250w motor and a battery thatā€™s good for two hours at full power. The electric assist is only good for 20mph but I guarantee you thereā€™s a workaround. How long until we see these in a transition area? How long until someone uses one to KQ?
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Thatā€™s pretty nice looking actually.

I donā€™t think you need full power, just a little assist. 20-30 extra watts in your next Ironman bike leg would mean either a much faster bike leg, much faster run leg or both.


--Chris
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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They already have officials checking bikes with phone apps for ebikes at larger races
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [chriselam] [ In reply to ]
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I thought the same thing. If you look at more images of that bike, it truly is ā€œstealthā€. Top tube bag, couple of bottles, and some clip on aero bars and it would blend in in any transition area. No idea what sort of noise it makes but Iā€™d bet minimal.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [MrTri123] [ In reply to ]
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MrTri123 wrote:
They already have officials checking bikes with phone apps for ebikes at larger races

Great justification for overnight bike dropoff.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Fin Man might be considering a comeback.

Find out what it is in life that you don't do well, then don't
do that thing.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [MrTri123] [ In reply to ]
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MrTri123 wrote:
They already have officials checking bikes with phone apps for ebikes at larger races

If the system was powered down I have no idea how theyā€™d find it.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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The Orbea Gain is another bike that looks no different than a traditional road bike. It does worry me that these types of things might be showing up in transition and in Gran Fondos, etc at some point. While 20mph might be a ā€˜limiterā€™ on the flats, it would make climbing easier.

Matt
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
MrTri123 wrote:
They already have officials checking bikes with phone apps for ebikes at larger races


If the system was powered down I have no idea how theyā€™d find it.

You can use magnetometers to detect magnets and inductive proximity sensors to detect ferrous metal.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Very simple answer: WEIGHT and FRAME. The E-bikes are at least 5-10 lbs heavier than a regular tri-bike (15-19 lbs) so just weighting the bike would be enough but looking at the frame, the top and bottom tubes are way wider since that's where the parts are built in. At least on the couple I've already seen on the road from fellow cyclist so not sure if ALL of them are the same but 3 different brands confirm my hypothesis partially.

P.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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From the side, it looks pretty slick. The rear hub is a dead giveaway however.

I like ebikes because it keeps my spouse in the game to ride together, given her time/commitment is less than mine.
Last edited by: Rocket_racing: Jun 30, 19 15:34
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Sapix] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder How long does it take to weigh 2700 bikes
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
MrTri123 wrote:
They already have officials checking bikes with phone apps for ebikes at larger races


If the system was powered down I have no idea how theyā€™d find it.

You can use magnetometers to detect magnets and inductive proximity sensors to detect ferrous metal.

Fair enough but if youā€™re just magnet hunting a transition area will set off a ton of false positives (hell, my bike in race trim has... counting... nine magnets on it).

TBH, while Iā€™d love to see rules officials checking bikes at large races, Iā€™m doubtful they would be effective.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Pun_Times wrote:
The Orbea Gain is another bike that looks no different than a traditional road bike. It does worry me that these types of things might be showing up in transition and in Gran Fondos, etc at some point. While 20mph might be a ā€˜limiterā€™ on the flats, it would make climbing easier.

I already figured out how to get it up to ~22mph by changing a single setting in the app :)
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Sapix] [ In reply to ]
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Sapix wrote:
Very simple answer: WEIGHT and FRAME. The E-bikes are at least 5-10 lbs heavier than a regular tri-bike (15-19 lbs) so just weighting the bike would be enough but looking at the frame, the top and bottom tubes are way wider since that's where the parts are built in. At least on the couple I've already seen on the road from fellow cyclist so not sure if ALL of them are the same but 3 different brands confirm my hypothesis partially.

P.

I think that was true on the first generation of bikes but look at some of the other pictures of that Bianchi. Fairly svelte. Maybe not a true aero road bike but I guarantee you the downtube of a Synapse is wider and blunter and nobody would bat an eye at one of those.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [MrTri123] [ In reply to ]
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MrTri123 wrote:
I wonder How long does it take to weigh 2700 bikes

Plus the bike I posted weighs 26lbs. Is that really that far out of the norm? I think not.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Probably not THAT discernable once there's a hydration system, 2 normal full bottles (or even fake-full to put inspectors off the scent) , a tool pack etc etc all strapped to the bike.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I donā€™t care what people show up on in a Gran Fondo
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [mickison] [ In reply to ]
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Simple: lifetime ban from all sanctioned triathlons if you use a motor. USAT should just state that now.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Agree.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Rocket_racing] [ In reply to ]
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Rocket_racing wrote:
From the side, it looks pretty slick. The rear hub is a dead giveaway however.

I like ebikes because it keeps my spouse in the game to ride together, given her time/commitment is less than mine.

I was going to say that the hub on this one is the give away but does someone make a hub drive disc wheel? Or just use a wheel cover to hide the hub.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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just check the podium finishers or top 10 in each age group or something after the race.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [mickison] [ In reply to ]
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mickison wrote:
I donā€™t care what people show up on in a Gran Fondo

Ok well then, I guess it we shouldn't worry about it since you don't care

Gran Fondo's are not all just big group rides...some races around the US pretty competitive (some also offering prize purses) to the point the people are getting caught doping: https://cyclingtips.com/...new-york-gran-fondo/

Matt
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Thatā€™s fine. Do it for some that are competitive or allow people to opt out for prizes. I donā€™t want to pay more for the fun gran fondos that I do.
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Re: Does this look like the bike of a cheater? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I thought the same thing. If you look at more images of that bike, it truly is ā€œstealthā€. Top tube bag, couple of bottles, and some clip on aero bars and it would blend in in any transition area. No idea what sort of noise it makes but Iā€™d bet minimal.

I had this exact bike pass me on a greenway a few weeks ago. I heard the electric whining of the motor before I saw it. It wasn't very loud but it was distinctive and I instantly noticed the large rear hub.
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