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Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position?
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The question is, do you think I'd be able to increase my power by figuring out what positions and pedaling techniques work for me?


I'm not into gadgets telling me numbers. I really like to train by feel. I've never been into heart rate monitors or that kind of stuff.

But when I ride I find myself trying all kinds of different positions and pedaling techniques. I like to pull up a bit, just enough so that I can feel myself pulling the pedal up. Sometimes I really focus on feeling pressure on the balls of my feet, and time it perfectly with the pull of the other leg. I feel like I get more power from my glutes if I sit back further and sort of push forward instead of more downward ... yada yada yada ... I suppose many of you do the same kind of thing.

But I've done lots of sports, and I've never in my life found a magic bullet - or anything even close. If I get one, I don't want to think it's cool for the first month and then ... meh, so what ... I knew my power was (up/down) I could feel it.

Thanks!

Steve
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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I just asked the same question - sort of.

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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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What do you mean by "best position"? The one that is most comfortable, most powerful, fastest, or some sort of combination?

A power meter would certainly help attribute numbers to your training and provide guidance. Purely finding the position the generates the most power is only part of the battle though. Finding your optimal spot where you reduce drag, are decently comfortable, and don't sacrifice too much power is key. That will lead to faster bike leg splits (and hopefully running well after T2!)
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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It’s an aerobic sport... find the most comfortable and aerodynamic position and train your body

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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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StevePupel wrote:
But when I ride I find myself trying all kinds of different positions and pedaling techniques.

Pedal like the pros. They push down hard on the down stroke and recover over the rest of it.

You can use your PM to track training. You don't have to look at it during the ride.

Best use of the PM is aero experimentation, if you want to go fast. I'd suggest using the CdACrr app with the airspeed gauge. Cheap and it works.
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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No. Power is one of several variables in the equation of speed. Your body will adapt to your position. The air will not.

Had a tri coach tell me a while ago that he and other coaches he worked with analyzed bike fit by looking at the rider’s power file. “Thinking in isolation and with pride ends in idiocy”, I think Chesterton said.

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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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A power meter will not only help you find your best position. A pm will also help you

- Track your progress

- Tell you when to back off

- Pace you in races

- Tell when people are lying about their FTP

- Lower your taxes

- Smoothen your skin
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [StevePupel] [ In reply to ]
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StevePupel wrote:
The question is, do you think I'd be able to increase my power by figuring out what positions and pedaling techniques work for me?

It will be pretty challenging to use it to improve your power through your position and pedaling technique. Your body takes time to adapt to different positions and it will be hard to differentiate the change in power from different positions vs. the changes in fitness over time. Also, it will take a long time to train yourself to use a different pedaling technique and most studies have shown that your self selected pedaling technique is generally the most efficient; in fact, attempting to alter your pedal stroke can sometimes actually reduce your efficiency.

You can very definitely use a power meter to assess the aerodynamics of your position so that you go faster for the same power output. The most common method for this is called the Chung method, search "platypus" on this site. It can work quite well but requires patience and very good attention to detail, and for whatever reason, very few cyclists & triathletes actually use it despite a lot of chatter here about it. I've talked with a prominent local cyclist about the Chung method and he said that in our entire major metro area there were only a handful of people using it.

I have found that on the trainer I can definitely quantify the power loss in the aero position vs. riding on the basebar. But again, there's a complicated tradeoff between power loss and aerodynamics, and it can also be affected by long term adaptation.

But lots of good reasons to use a power meter as a training tool if you use it properly.
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [trentnix] [ In reply to ]
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Damn, a renaissance man right here on Slowtwitch!
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Re: Do you think a power meter will help me find my best position? [FatandSlow] [ In reply to ]
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FatandSlow wrote:
Damn, a renaissance man right here on Slowtwitch!
Good looking, too!

Trent Nix
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