What sport and what doping are you talking about? I knew many many people in college occasionally using marijuana and even cocaine.... The former is banned in many sports. I'm not sure about the latter.

I'm pretty sure there is widespread use of stuff like HGH and steroids in big-time college football. Even high school.

In collegiate bike racing, this comes to mind http://stevetilford.com/...tever-rick-crawford/

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My freshman year of college at a DII university I lived in a dorm that was made up largely of baseball and football players. They made it very apparent not only how common this was but just how easy it was to get ahold of.

Just look at the finish times of this year's collegiate nationals... I mean, come on...

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the OP is talking about cycling, especially collegiate cycling

the one person that i immediately think of is Jonathan Chodroff. started doping with EPO as a cat-3 and ended up still pretty horrible at bike handling. He's also a) an Yalie and b) intending to become a doctor. Fits the worst of ivy league stereotypes...

he's now apparently a dental student at Columbia. How the hell did he even get past the character assessment part of the admission? Thank goodness he wasn't there when I visited Columbia's Dental clinic on a biweekly basis back in 2011.

I think doping is incredibly common in high school athletes and in the free weight section of Lifetime where people are doing nothing more than trying to look good.

In higher level competitive situations I think it is almost universal.

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Yea, I was thinking of the Rick Crawford/Colorado Mesa thing too.
Having raced collegiate triathlon from 2008 to 2012 and with the intention to return to grad school in a year or two, I want to believe that in general, the collegiate/development ranks in triathlon are relatively clean in the USA. I don't think there's the financial/logistical support combined with the potential gains to tip the scales to make doping "worth it" among the majority of competitors in the junior/collegiate/U23ish realm of triathlon. I think it's naive to assume everybody is 100% clean, even discounting the use of recreational type drugs that happen to be on the banned list (and may still confer benefit). However, I think the examples would be VERY few and far between, tending to be associated with some very sociopathic behavior. That sociopathic behavior might even combine with some great natural talent and elevate an athlete or two to the highest levels in that realm of the sport, but again, I don't think we have the problems of cycling where it's no longer sociopathic.

My undergrad didn't have a cycling team, so I can't directly speak to the culture of collegiate cycling, though. I don't imagine it's a ton different from collegiate triathlon, as the vast majority of the riders I did know who crossed over spoke of it as a similar atmosphere: lots of really fast people, but the ones who really wanted to "make it" in the sport focused elsewhere for their racing.

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You can get T and other goodies at my local gym, the same one our local high school athletes all happen to attend.

In another article on this, there was a teaser line about how the cooperation may lead to more cases....could be interesting.

If you're not competing, it's not doping. I have no problem with people messing around with hormones to look good or feel better. I have a problem when they line up next to me.

I keep hoping that USADA shows up at one of my SoCal bike races. They announced about two years ago they would, but never have. Rumor has it my district has rampant doping amongst the masters ranks. I don't know of any, though.

wonder if the testing includes 'academic doping.' in my experience, big numbers of students are using things like adderall and ritalin off-'scrip to help them study and stuff.

(so are a whole lot of the docs in your local ER, i think.)

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Ah I see! That's one thing I think amateur triathlon has going for it, generally the pro's times are a good bit faster (esp if we are looking at olympic/ sprint stuff with swim/run times.) So unless you are assuming all the pro's are doping then it's easy to see how the times could be achieved clean. Of course that doesn't really change the likelihood of there being a contingent of people doing or not.

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College kids and drugs?

I'm shocked.
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+1.

You'd be stupid to not dope unless you had so much talent you didn't need to. If it makes the difference between a scholarship or not, it is a real easy decision, especially if you don't have the money to attend without the scholarship.

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I would imagine its more widespread than most folks think. I read this statistic in "Double Runner" magazine this month: Synthetic EPO was introduced in 1989. Before that year there had only been one sub 13 min 5K performance. Since 1989 its been achieved 223 times. Nope, there are no drugs in track!

Nah, we have better coaches now. :)

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That's the thing. I hate what doping has done to sports. But I have a very hard time hating those who did it. With the way so many beat the testing it borders on foolish to not dope. It alwtays reminds me of a time Arnold Schwarzenagger (sp?) was on David Letterman years ago. Dave asked if he had taken steroids. Arnold simply answered, 'Well David, I had to compete.'

With high schools not having any testing and the ambition of parents, I'd be scared to know how many drugs higher level high school athletes are taking.

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What are you talking about? (Conveniently ignoring the pink) College kids have never been known to do anything stoopid or questionable. That's the reason they're in college. They're the best of the best in everything. And, when they graduate, there will be a plethora of high paying jobs awaiting to reward their hard work and chastity.

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easy there, don't lump us all together ;). Though i am sincerely sorry for what one class of 68 alumnus and a drop out have done to our (assuming you are an American) country.

OTOH, we have good people like a certain Prof Hacker, who kicked a** in bike races and also wrote about the concept of predistribution. You perhaps may even have raced against him. He also hosted the forum in 2013 in which Vaughters, Tygart, and FLandis were panelists.

There's a pretty interesting documentary about the Mr. Olympia contest on Netflix right now. I was amazed at how open all of the competitors were about steroid use. The prevalent attitude seemed to be that it was a necessary part of the job and any risks associated with usage were just part of the price of being competitive. I suspect that was (and probably still is) the attitude in professional cycling for most of its history. It certainly seems to be the attitude in professional and college football.

You may be right however on the High School level Texas is no longer going to test they were catching SO FEW athletes.

"Less than one-third of 1 percent of subjects testing positive (190 out of 62,892) at a cost of $9.3 million, according to the commission staff’s report."

just google that if you want to read for yourself...

"catching" is a key word. We can all quickly think of someone who didn't get "caught" while racing for a extended period of time. And I suspect that in high school, unless you actually have a bit of talent, doping isn't going to make a lot of difference, after all, you still have to put some serious effort into it. I would think the majority of kids in High School realize they are not going to turn pro and aren't going get a scholarship so the necessity to dope isn't there. JMHO.

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