I was responding to someone who said doping in HS was wide spread. That appears to be untrue. Unless you think that HS athletes have sophisticated methods for avoiding getting caught.

There have been HS random testing programs in Florida, Texas, Illinois, and New Jersey. None of them found much of anything. Detection rates <<1%. Florida shut down their program, and Texas may also.

NCAA random testing also has a pretty low detection rate.

Not much evidence for "widespread" use.

And I doubt that HS users have the sophistication to avoid avoid positives, micro-dosing, etc.

I do like the programs, as I believe in deterrence, however.

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more with this comment. Don't forget the sport science support that athletes and coaches have now.

Chodroff, there's a name from past. I remember being at VoS when he obliterated Talansky, guys who'd done junior worlds and other legit TTers. It was like a :30 beat down and so obvious that even Hein would have called it out. But if there was a turn in the road the guy was headed straight for the curb.

It is shocking that someone with such a mis-calibrated moral compass is so easily pursuing a medical career.

Weren't USADA at Dana Pt?
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Riiight, because if someone cheats in sports they're probably going to do bad stuff in lots of aspects of their lives. (Which makes me wonder how many MDs break the speed limit...)


I'm not defending his cheating, but his response was massively different than a lot of dopers such as Tom Danielson. He wrote to his team and contacts (paraphrasing) a statement saying "I cheated, I suck, I've let you all down. No excuses. All me. I'm gone. Sorry."


PS - I don't think I ever met the guy in person but we had mutual friends and he so friended me via Facebook with a very nice note.

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They're at Dana Pt every year, testing the pros. NCC race and all I don't think it was the RaceClean program for the amateurs. I could be wrong, though.

One of my former teammates told a story about how Chodroff was at the back of a pack or perhaps OTB (in a road race, i think), and some at the front of the pack crashed going into the turn. Chodroff rolled around by the time some of the guys were picking themselves off of the ground and managed to crash into one of the guys who just got up...





in this case it's not just cheating in sports, it's cheating to become a pro athlete when you are a middle category racer. Cycling was his vocation for a few years, and he cheated to get the job and hold onto the job. A more apt comparison would be cheating on your boards or forging your transcript to get accepted. He cheated on the job, and that should call into question of his professional ethics regardless of the nature of the job.


I could care less about MDs breaking speed limit if it's 10-15 mph over. OTOH, i'd like to know how many MDs took adderall in undergrad and med school

it's a lot easier to say sorry when you have other options. It was never going to be his vocation, and he knows he had other options open to him should he get caught


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PS - I don't think I ever met the guy in person but we had mutual friends and he so friended me via Facebook with a very nice note.[/quote]he sure seemed to have charmed you...

he graduated the same year as I, and apparently we have a few mutual college friends. One of my really good friends rowed lightweight freshman crew with him and said he wouldn't trust anything important to Chodroff. You yourself made the snide (and perhaps self deprecating) remarks about ivy league students. This is a kid coming from a very well to do family, who was able to pursuing the cycling thing all the while racking up what must be a significant PED tabs. When he got snuffed out, no worries, he can fall back, lay low for a few years, and do something else.

As for the original post, what is the voluntary disclosure?
Did he just feel guilty and confess?
Did someone rat him out?
His mail end up at USADA?

As far as my experiences, I knew a few dopers in both high school and college swimming. Never caught. There was no testing

In recent years racing cyclocross there is a fee chatged for doping; but there hasonly been tasting at UCI level races. Same at CrossVegas; testing is there but none for below UCI race. Masters and others can cheat knowing they won't be tested.

That's a remarkable statistic.

If that is true then I am glad to hear. Though the articles about shutting it down included comments from the guy who pushed for it in the first place complaining about how poorly the testing was being performed. They cited a poll where athletes were self-reporting around 7% use.

But I don't know the numbers myself. My comments were coming from the POV that parents are willing to do almost anything to have their kids advance in sports. And combined with little testing it makes me fear what parents are willing to do.

And also add in my experience that dates back to 1985 where the over half of the guys in the 16 person suite I shared in college were taking steroids supplied by a member of Ohio State's tennis team. None of them were doing anything other than trying to look better. That makes me feel very much that if people think they can get ahead by doping and that if they think that they or others won't get caught, then they will dope.

And for those who say that if you aren't competing it isn't doping, most of these drugs are prescription drugs and most likely they are being taken illegally.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Yeah, because he apologized to teammate quicker he's quite the humanitarian. Only thing he's sorry about is getting caught. He's a bigger loser than the rest because he never had the package to be at elite level to begin with.

I've long said this: doping doesn't make a donkey into a ProTour rider. Chodroff is a good example of an engine but not the skills.

I'm pretty sure you started with the snide (and perhaps self deprecating) remarks about the Ivy League.

No. He's just less bad than the guys that keep lying or blame other people.

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I played baseball when I was younger, I'm from Australia but was offered a college scholarship at one of the 'big 5' in the U.S. in the early 2000's. I was told outright by the coaching staff that I needed to get on the T and HGH if I wanted to make anything of myself. I was 5'10" and 80kg of lean muscle at the time (all natural, 7 days a week in the gym). Needless to say I didn't bother going over.

I can tell you that back then that I would estimate a significant percentage of college baseball players were on stuff. The sport was riddled with it

How quaint that people think there must not be much doping because not many test positive. Have these guys been living in a cave for the last ten years?

Little trade secret: They all jump.