There is almost zero chance it was him. About half of all LR posts are trolls. And this guy got libel/slander reversed.

Not LR, from the LA Times article.

Oh dang.

Also the DA came back and recanted, admitted he’d been played and is verifying his identity with marathon investigation (or was asked to)

Whoa where's that covered?!

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It’s in the last few pages on let’s run. DA came back said yes I’m really the DA. I read marathon investigations report. Now I think I’ve been played. I’m going to have to talk to Frank

Then Derek at MI asked him to get In touch to verify his identity which I surmise means follow up article

DA guy looked really bad initially, Realizes it now and admitted it.

DA guy actually made threats on the thread. He did the right thing by recanting.

This is not over

Cool, thanks for that! I was looking at the LA comments etc. Can't keep up w/ LR!

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Eliot
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I've got a sneaky suspicion that Frank doesn't run the whole marathon.

Maybe. The real DA guy has been involved, but not sure the recanter guy on LR is the real DA or a troll.

Count Rugen: Could this be a troll?

Prince Humperdinck: I always think everyone could be a troll -- Which is why I still post on LetsRun, AND I'm still alive

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

That thread is epic. I posted on it! Moderator calls out the trolls for being trolls, other old trolls chime in complaining about the new trolls, new trolls increase there posts, people told not to feed the trolls by posting about ‘not feeding the trolls’. More trolls than a Grimm’s fairy tale. The info presented seems to indicate that he hasn’t had a legitimate race in over 10 years. I like the one photo of him entering the course from the sidewalk, with the photographer kneeling in the background taking pictures of the oncoming runners. Looks like he was avoiding that photographer but was caught by another one he didn’t know about.

THAT was where I got confused

"Too much tie on my hands" is the one that posted the photos, but "Took me a while" is the troll who started making all the "Racist" backronyms for LRC

Large Racist Community
Lotsa Racist Companions
Lame Racist Cucks
Let's Racist Collaborate
Lying Racist Caucasians
Lazy Racist Creeps
Lost Racist Carebear
Loutish Racist Compadre

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

This may have been skipped over, but I almost love this idea [from Page 211]


It's almost Houdini-like, or Penn & Teller

He always used to challenge his critics who said his "magic" was fake [well, of course it was ... he wasn't Albus Dumbledore or anything] by saying "You think you know how I did it? Well, you do it then"

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I almost chimed in and said that to add that you actually tell the RD you are doing too, kind of like hiring hackers to find flaws in your system.

Love it. White Hat Racing Team.

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Eliot
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If you were to to tell the RD ahead of time, I guess you would so anonymously?

Maybe by sending a text from a burner phone? email from a Public Library computer?

One could go all sorts of Spy vs Spy/Jack Ryan/Jason Bourne on this thing

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Nah, be up front about it. Just set the ground rules:
1) I'm allowed to cheat however I want
2) you have to catch me with your established procedures (i.e. can't just have a volunteer follow me around because I told you I'm going to cheat)
3) you don't have to tell me what your anti-cheater procedures are

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Eliot
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I love how Frank has taken his lies to the highest level, offering to run with a pacer/escort to "prove" he can run that fast. In the first case, he ditched that race and ran somewhere else with some excuse. Now as told and reported in the times, he offers again, and now he all of a sudden has heart trouble, and probably will never run again in a race I bet. Because even if he races a 5k, that pace probably would not be the same pace as the marathons he is claiming to have run, so faking the ultimate injury of heart issues, gets him off that hook...

Looks like he is going to his grave with his story, wonder how many family and friends will be going with him after all this evidence..

There seems to be a Code of Silence between friends on this. A Loyola coach and the LA assistant DA spoke strongly on his behalf, but no one publicly (other runners, HS kids, Aztlan runners) who could testify to his current ability, or lack of, has come forward. If Lance Armstrong helped me and my family when I was a kid (as the DA stated about Frank) and went on to win victory after victory to solidify himself as a true hero, it would be impossible for me to believe he wasn’t legitimate, and I probably wouldn’t let myself believe it. This is a very sad situation, it made the news, LA marathon will probably DQ him, and he will become immortal and appear along with the others when the next marathon cheaters arrives.

Just to be clear, doping is nothing like course cutting, especially the doping of the 90's and 2000's in cycling. Virtually everyone doped, "NO" one cut a course and cheated for a result purposely..The worst of dopers would never think to cut a course. Now putting a motor in your bottom bracket, that is one notch down from course cutting on the worst things you can do to cheat in sports...

I could probably google this, but...

Has "mechanical doping" happened in triathlon? Seems like it'd be pretty easy to get away with putting a motor in a tri-bike.

I have The Circles of Hell this way

First Circle: People Who Fudge Their Training Logs
Second Circle: Bike Thieves
Third Circle: Race Bandits, Bib-Swappers, Bib-Copiers, and Those Who Take TWO Finishers Medals
Fourth Circle: Dopers, Course Cutters, and Other Assorted Cheats [may include people having extramarital affairs with a Coach or Running Partner, but not always]
Fifth Circle: Gamblers, Sportswriters, and People Who Make up Charity Scams
Sixth Circle: Sports Agents
Seventh Circle: Team Owners
Eighth Circle: League Commissioners
Ninth Circle: Al Davis ... Alone for now, but saving spaces for Jerry Jones, OJ, Joe Buck, The Krzyzewski/Pitino/Calipari Triumvirate and Roger Goodell

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

There’s got to be a place for all these social media “influencers”.

Where do they fit?

How about something like this

what if you're guilty of more than one sin? is it additive? multiplicative? exponential? circle of greatest sin?

like what if I bandited a race, cut the course, did it on a stolen bike, had veins full of EPO, fucked the RD in the massage tent after the race, logged it in strava as a "recovery brick," and then made a post on instagram with a stolen race photo to promote my supplement company?

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Eliot
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