Geezus, that's terrible reportage.

Here's the actual USADA report, in which the official judgement as laid out in this case is *literally* the opposite of what that article claims...

https://www.usada.org/carl-grove-accepts-public-warning/




USADA *affirmed* his explanation for the infraction, and no sanction was leveled, only a warning and disqualification for the single day on which the sample was collected.

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Haven't athletes received a ban in the past even when proving how the substance was ingested? Why did he get a free pass?

Meat and bad supplements. Doubly unlucky.

I checked the high risk list for supplements found to have clomiphene, and it's not clear what supplement it was. The only one added recently that has clomiphene also has ostarine, and a bunch of stuff not mentioned.

I'd also like to know what meat source near the Carson track is contaminated, since I eat around there all the time. And he apparently ate the bad meat the night before his final.

Absolutely they have. It is your responsibility what goes in your body regardless of how it got there, or how it was marketed. Ignorance isn't a defense when it comes to doping.

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OK tainted meat or whatever, I don't even trust most 75+ driving a car and this 90+ stud is track cycling in SPRINT events!!!

Worth noting, since the reportage on this has been so damn terrible; he didn't test positive for clomiphene. When he submitted his supplements to USADA for testing after his positive test for epitrenbolone, they discovered the contamination in one of them.

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He didn't test positive, but I think they still considered it a non-analytical adverse finding?

I don’t 100% agree with you.

For a professional that earns money. Absolutely agree with you.

But for an age grouper that goes to their local shopping centre and buys some steaks for dinner and then tests positive for trace amounts, I don’t agree at all.

But if an age grouper tested positive for EPO or HgH. Throw the book at them.

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They did not.

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How can you tell? It's listed right next to the other substance as the "reason": " Trenbolone; Clomiphene:" They do not explicitly any single substance as the one that generated the public warning. They way it's worded, it's both equally.

The other weird thing is they tested him twice, even though he was apparently the only entrant (looking at the results). Maybe there were just systematically testing each winner?

I wonder what hoops they had to jump through to only give a public warning. If this had been an elite athlete, no way it's a warning. I don't mind that, I just wish different standards for old athletes were transparent.

On a plus note Hinault does not have to worry about this guy having more TdF wins than him.

Mmm, as always its not black and white. I am almost more forgiving of a professional, who desperately fights to earn a living from the sport, testing positive over trace amounts from some steak they shared with their partner, than an AG athlete that has little to lose in comparison.

But I believe in one rule and zero tolerance so I'd apply it the same to both types of athletes. My personal view is that AG doping controls are a misuse of resources and it should be funneled into more testing for the professionals. If you want to even out the AG race in 99% of cases you just need more moto's enforcing drafting. No one is racing for sheep stations here, and those doping at an amateur level are deluding themselves, albeit while potentially denying other a higher place.

But if we are going to test, then 1 rule. Just my view.

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"How can you tell? It's listed right next to the other substance as the "reason": " Trenbolone; Clomiphene:" They do not explicitly any single substance as the one that generated the public warning. They way it's worded, it's both equally. "





Frankly, I think they intended to, but it isn't sufficient for a sanctioning body to imply an non-analytical failure, they need to declare it and then either sanction for it or dismiss it. As the decision speaks only to the dismissal of the cloniphene positive, and there is no sanction - or waiving of sanction - for the contaminated sample, that can't have been considered a non-analytical violation. Or they're playing fast and loose with the rules, which is... not great.


This may just be a case of a terribly written press release, but as this is the only publicly available source of info... (shrugs)


I think they need to do a hell of a lot better with how they write these things, and how they detail the information for public consumption. USADA isn't exactly filling people full of confidence these days.

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60+ AG should allow doping...whatever it takes

No double letters in his name. He's innocent!

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What's your CdA?

Not Age Grouper stuff but the UFC VP of Athlete Health and Performance Jeff Novitzky was on JRE talking about Turinabol and mentioned Clomaphine recently. It was interesting stuff. https://itunes.apple.com/...00426595371&mt=2

Also, for those that want to know, there are only two WADA sanctioned labs in the US.

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Honestly this is such a non-story

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I was thinking in 80+ (I'm not kidding, if you're over 80 and actually at the start line, what the heck....most of the competition is dead anyway). 60-80 still feels like there should be no pharma assist.

Tell that to the guys who were robbed of their podium....oh wait, there were no other guys.

Maybe if they were doping they'd have lived to challenge him!!

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Big pull out section in this month's USA Triathlon magazine on the "Complete Clean" campaign detailing when and how age groupers might be tested this year:

https://www.teamusa.org/...-Anti-Doping-Efforts.

As a MOPer, can't say I'm going to be terribly comfortable if someone from my gender has to accompany me to the bathroom and watch me provide my sample. I'll do it, but I'm hoping they'll be leaving people such as myself well alone. Do they just accompany you to the stall or do they have to watch the actual peeing?

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They have to watch. It's kinda awkward, but at that point i was hungry and tired enough i was glad it was over and didn't care. I also hope they don't test a bunch of MOP people, i think it would drive a lot of people away from the sport and be a big waste of money in general