I'm still just amazed.
Not that someone is cheating, but just that I never in a million years would have thought of doing something like that.

lol.

You people don't even know if this was used in the actual swim.

If we go on that theory that it wasnt actually used in the race, what in the world are they using a modified pull buoy in training for?

ETA: You could be right and it wasnt used in the race, just seems weird to modifiy the pb to that degree.

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I honestly don't have an answer for you.

Just seems pretty risky and stupid to try and use one in the race.
*shrug*

Which is why to me it would be *easier* to use an modified pb. I guess I was saying, it seems silly to use a modified pb in training. It's stupid and risky to cheat, but people do it all the time in athletics, because the reward is usually greater than the risk for certain people.

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A few weeks ago we got a post from someone, who knew someone, who does this.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...pull%20buoy;#3929988

Said they did it at St George.

I just find it sad that someone would put this much value into their identity as a AG triathlete that they would cheat. Good lord, it isn't like these people are winning races and making money.

I bet they are a fantastic person outside of triathlon as well. Typically, people that want the easy way out in a sport, do the same in life.

At first I was surprised but I've read way too many stories about folks aiming for AG glory and cheating and doping to get there. Go get some EPO and Test and dope your way to a kona spot, or use a modified PB

and the person who posted it only posted once. hmmmm.

Yup, I'm serious. The seriousness some folks are talking this alleged infractions is unbelievable.

No, I know of and have met, people that have done stupid stuff like this too. I find it a very sad state for someone to be in. How low must one's self-worth and esteem be to cheat at a HOBBY? That is just pathetic.

People get hypothermia WITH wetsuits on for IMAZ. November gets pretty darn cold~!

Is this an observation from a one time ad hoc cheat! ;) (Pink and smiley as I am in no way intimating that you are)

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C'mon...people are freaking DOPING in the AG's. This is pretty tame in comparison.

Note - I'm not excusing this stoopid little fook. I'm just pointing out the extremes some people are going to in this sport to "succeed" and none if it should come as a surprise.

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He brings up a good question about the modification to its shape. If you planned to put it between your legs you would cut off the top third so only the small, thin neck was visable between your legs from a surface view.

The two cuts on both buoy ends actually make it a better fit for your tri top, chest area. I'm going to throw out that a girl probably used it. Maybe a guy, you never know, but a girl could get away with it easier. I bet she either swam with it in her top or maybe moved it down to her legs after the start.

I was talking more about overall course difficulty. I agree the swim was cold a few years ago.

Ah, apologies. Yeah the swim is pretty simple in a straightforward format. High likelihood of almost no waves~ Thinking it'll be my first IM whenever idecide to sign up for one!

and I am agreeing with you. I am not surprised and I still think they are pathetic.

Were wetsuits allowed at this race?


My questions though:

1) How would you be able to remove anything from your wetsuit while still in the water...swimming?
2) Do we know if this "thing" wasn't just dropped in the water or carried into the water by a volunteer or spectator?
3) For someone to swim faster with a pull buoy...their kick would have to be horrendous and they are concerned about having their low half - sink. Wouldn't a wetsuit help this regard - even without a pull buoy - and then I bring first question - how would you stuff this into their wetsuit?


So I am left with:
1) User most likely had a skin suit instead of a wetsuit. (even though it would be interesting to see how this could have been done)
2) If said user had a skin suit, I would assume they were not an age grouper - because then they could have had a wetsuit (assuming it was legal) and just use that buoyancy to keep them afloat somewhat.
3) Most likely the object (if it even was used by a racer) was just carried into the water and then tucked between their legs. Doubt anyone really saw it or if they did, probably didn't know what to say or who to say it to.

why do it at all if you're going to cheat? This is crazy.

in a race this weekend guy was running off the pavement of the run and cutting corners across grass and dirt, sometimes gaining probably 5-10 seconds each time- he did it at least 6 times I saw. I wonder if he thought he was still running 10k- because my Garmin said 6.21 miles and I never stepped off the pavement. I should have reported it, but I was too happy with my race.

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and my first thought was why anybody would opt to swim with a pull buoy? LOL!

Snorkels are in fact tolerated due to the USAT rules, however they are discouraged and were banned for a couple of years due to different insurance/ sanctioning as stated after your post. Navigation is next to impossible for these athletes and they tend to spend more time correcting their line than most, even the guy with a compass attached to his in Haines City this weekend!
Most federations tell their athletes what is permitted rather than what isn't so this tends to do away with some gray areas, compression wear falls fall under the swim suit regulations of covering body areas and aleviates one more oppurtunity of hiding floatation devices.
Despite the few isolated incidents like this or fin man I believe most people view the swim as a fair playing field, now if they would just carry this ethic onto the bike and run and stop drafting etc......... Oh yes and everyone please stop throwing trash anywhere you see fit, I still can't understand that one!
I'm done, carry on the good work.

Why is this cheating? I cut all the corners I can on a run or bike course. I try to get to the finish line in the shortest, "legal" distance. Unless he jumped over yellow tape the RD put up, why did you say he was cheating?

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You honestly cut corners? If say there is a turn at a stop light right beside an empty parking lot, you'd cut through the parking lot, when the "course" was designed to turn on the road at the stop light?

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I was being broad with my comment about cutting corners. He was making a blanket statement on the running section. Biking is different.

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