marklemcd wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
marklemcd wrote:
As someone who has coached running only and not triathlon, I don't see the benefit to doing this to improve their running.
Running nearly every day and putting some doubles in (the 100/100 plan) to improve running through consistency is a great idea.
Doing doubles every single day for 3+ months (or triples I guess if you do some singles) is both unproductive and stupid.
Thanks for the input.
FWIW, I've probably averaged 9x/wk over the last 100 days, so about 135/100. At what point do you think there are diminishing returns?
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I wouldn't worry about diminishing returns. Diminishing returns are still increasing cumulatively, the key is not hitting declining returns.
Overall volume over time is generally the biggest correlation to running performance (from what I've see it seems that way in cycling and swimming too, though I am no expert there). So in general doubles are good, but just because some doubles are good doesn't mean always doubling is good. I try to think of getting as much as I can in my main run each day before adding doubles. This isn't the same for everyone. I like to think about where to add a double in order to add value. Do a hard morning workout that ends up being high volume (for example I did a hard workout this morning that totaled 12 miles), then maybe a double isn't productive. But tomorrow doing two 3 mile recovery runs might be better than a single 6 mile run.
Basically too many doubles are when they are interfering with your ability to execute key sessions at the right effort AND impede your ability to recover from those efforts. Most pros run 13 times or less a week, usually less most of the year, not counting ultra runners who have far different habits and I am not very well versed at that.
Disclaimer: No coach here, just got a nerdy interest for reading about training.
Probably most bespoken training-regime in scandinavia past years are the Ingebrigtsens routine - While they say noone knows exactly what they do, general consensus is they run 13 week somewhere right about like this:
Monday: Easy run morning, easy run afternoon.
Tuesday: Threshold-session morning - threshold session evening.
Wednesday: easy run morning, easy run afternoon.
Thursday: Threshold session morning, theshold session afternoon.
Friday: easy run morning, easy run afternoon.
Saturday; Hill repeats morning (2x(10*200m) - easy run afternoon.
Sunday: Long run.
I agree with above point though - key is total overall volume, and total overal intensity-work you can sustain. Key issue with Ingebrigtsens regime, is they believe the double threshold-days allow for more total volume of intensity-work. Way I understand it, the do really stringent intensity-control. Tuesdays - Thursdays are not to be over threshold (like keep lactic under 2 - 2.5 mmol). Saturdays they prob go a bit harder.
So doing 13 sessions a week for them works great - But i think it takes quite a few years of training to get to the point that kind of training-regime will not get you injured.
Back to the OPs suggestion - the OCD-part of me really likes the challenge of 200/100. I think something to keep us constantly running is good for fitness, and I think running often and short vs running long and seldom is the way to go. however, when you are already doing 10 sessions + pr week, I think focus should more be total content of your training rather than how many runs can you do.