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(Spoiler) TT Worlds
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Currently watching and writing this as Rohan Dennis is starting. Who do you pick for the podium? I'll go with: Ganna, Van Aert and Dennis

Gear question: what's that gigantic hub Alex Dowsett is riding on his front wheel??

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [captainolek] [ In reply to ]
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This is what he rode in the European World Championships:
https://www.revolverwheels.co.uk/shop/disc-brake-wheels/revolver-troika-troika-tmd/


Looks like they built some sort of disc shroud into the trispoke.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [captainolek] [ In reply to ]
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Could be Ineos podium at this point.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [captainolek] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not sure I would bet against Geraint Thomas hanging on for the podium...
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [captainolek] [ In reply to ]
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Once they hit the auto racing track, does it look like they are losing time by using too much road on the corners? It’s like they are trained to use the whole road on corners but the corners are so wide that they don’t need to go from apex to edge so much.

Like around the final corner, the only reason to be coming so wide would be for better road surface, which obviously I can’t feel. But those aren’t tight enough lines.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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There we go. Cavagna rode the better lines.
Last edited by: DieselPete: Sep 25, 20 7:27
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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Something about the tarmac on that track seems to be causing odd handling issues. It definitely is suited for auto racing and is different from the tarmac on the roads.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't see the event, just the picture on Velonews front cover. Let's play spot the water bottle for a 31 K time trial.

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Ganna doesn't care about those watts when he was dishing out mid 470s at least.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Most started w/ bottles.

I think I even saw Cavagna (?) take a swig after he came thru the time check at 14km.

What I'm waiting for is the 100000000s of comments to follow about saddles too high, rocking hips, etc., etc. about all the fastest riders.

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Hydrosloth wrote:
Let's play spot the water bottle for a 31 K time trial.

Off the top of my head, the Shiv TT, the BMC, the Pinarello, the Cervelo, and the SpeedConcept all test faster with a bottle than without. Because UCI, most of them will have had at most, a splash of water in them so it wasn't considered a "fairing."

Unrelated...

The split-downtube Factor is still a damned pretty TT bike.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [ayontz] [ In reply to ]
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ayontz wrote:
This is what he rode in the European World Championships:

https://www.revolverwheels.co.uk/shop/disc-brake-wheels/revolver-troika-troika-tmd/


Looks like they built some sort of disc shroud into the trispoke.


Joe Skipper uses that wheel.

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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RKW wrote:
Hydrosloth wrote:
The split-downtube Factor is still a damned pretty TT bike.


Are you talking about Slick? If not, link please. I'm curious.

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [Trauma] [ In reply to ]
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Train by numbers race by feel...


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The Welshman had to cover the 31.7km course without any information on his power or speed after his Garmin computer was misplaced before his effort. While he could draw encouragement from his eventual fourth place, just seven seconds off the podium and 37 seconds behind the unassailable Filippo Ganna (Italy), he was left to wonder what he might have achieved had he been able to guide his effort with live data.

Maybe he needs to take a lesson from Pogacar.

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [PhilipShambrook] [ In reply to ]
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Or other things that Pogacar takes that he doesn't.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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RKW wrote:
Hydrosloth wrote:
Let's play spot the water bottle for a 31 K time trial.


Off the top of my head, the Shiv TT, the BMC, the Pinarello, the Cervelo, and the SpeedConcept all test faster with a bottle than without. Because UCI, most of them will have had at most, a splash of water in them so it wasn't considered a "fairing."

Unrelated...

The split-downtube Factor is still a damned pretty TT bike.

I thought Factor updated their bikes this year and did away with the split-downtube.

I was surprised to see Campanaerts not use the bottle on his BMC. Not that it would have made up his deficit at all, but he tests everything to the nth degree. Ganna running a round bottle on his downtube didn't shock me. When you are dishing out those watts in that position you can throw some away. :)
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know why MTM didn't race? I could have sworn I saw him on the pre-race list of riders, but obviously he didn't start.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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turdburgler wrote:
RKW wrote:
Hydrosloth wrote:
Let's play spot the water bottle for a 31 K time trial.


Off the top of my head, the Shiv TT, the BMC, the Pinarello, the Cervelo, and the SpeedConcept all test faster with a bottle than without. Because UCI, most of them will have had at most, a splash of water in them so it wasn't considered a "fairing."

Unrelated...

The split-downtube Factor is still a damned pretty TT bike.


I thought Factor updated their bikes this year and did away with the split-downtube.

I was surprised to see Campanaerts not use the bottle on his BMC. Not that it would have made up his deficit at all, but he tests everything to the nth degree. Ganna running a round bottle on his downtube didn't shock me. When you are dishing out those watts in that position you can throw some away. :)

Well the round bottle has more volume of charge for the electric battery LOL!


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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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RKW wrote:
Hydrosloth wrote:
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Off the top of my head, the Shiv TT, the BMC, the Pinarello, the Cervelo, and the SpeedConcept all test faster with a bottle than without.

Woah, didn't know that, is there any data available somewhere on that? And I assume, we talk about dimpled aero" bottles here?

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [philly1x] [ In reply to ]
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philly1x wrote:
What I'm waiting for is the 100000000s of comments to follow about saddles too high, rocking hips, etc., etc. about all the fastest riders.

I did see one guy that I thought definitely needed to raise his saddle. I haven’t watched a pro time trial for a long time, what struck me was the crazy high pad stack all these guys seem to run. However, I didn’t notice anyone that had anything other than a horizontal torso. Are they all running very small frames? Anything to be learned from this? Like maybe lower isn’t a panacea for speed?

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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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ericlambi wrote:
Are they all running very small frames?

Ganna, who is 6'5" looks to be on a pretty small frame by normal standards given how much seat mast and pad stack he has.

But his position is plenty "low."

It's just the "new way" to set the bars low then use pad stack for fit. It's just way easier. The masters TT fashion of "nose to headtube" is over.



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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [trail] [ In reply to ]
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To the best of my knowledge there are some modelling results and wind tunnel measurements that indicate that a pad stack of more than 4 cm has a small aero advantage.

I also think that they like to put the brake levers/hoods at the optimum position for handling and aero while in the hoods. This is very important for pros because they tend to ride more sporting courses, rather than flat out and backs, that require good handling skills and they spend more time in the hoods. They can corner better and the aero penalty is smaller because they still maintain a flat back out of the aerobars.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [carlosflanders] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with you this is a benefit of the big differential between aero bars and hoods. Be wary when applying this to your own racing. I have two tt bikes, an old one for training and newer one for racing. The aero position is the same but the hoods are in different positions with the newer bike being lower. I went and raced IM Whistler with lots of climbing and corners and the consistently low position despite spending lots of time not in aero bars led to my back fatiguing and significant slowing in the second half. It’s hard to maintain the flat back for long periods without some variation in position.
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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [trail] [ In reply to ]
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That is not a photo from worlds - He was running a frame that was a size smaller, with custom extensions that had a base that protruded up and away from the basebar before the armpads. Also, the Ineos riders on the start list were running PCW Fronts and Aerocoach rears.


trail wrote:
ericlambi wrote:

Are they all running very small frames?


Ganna, who is 6'5" looks to be on a pretty small frame by normal standards given how much seat mast and pad stack he has.

But his position is plenty "low."

It's just the "new way" to set the bars low then use pad stack for fit. It's just way easier. The masters TT fashion of "nose to headtube" is over.


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Re: (Spoiler) TT Worlds [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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The photo of Ganna is indeed from worlds. He just had that helmet finished and painted for it. You could also see him drinking from the round bottle on the downtube at the start.
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