If you have measured your feet the way they suggest, how long and wide are your feet? That would give me an idea if they would fit me, since I know Bont shoes do not appear to be exactly what they say (from experience of trying to buy a pair, that was manufactured basically a size smaller than they said). I need wide forefoot shoes, and they appear to be the ones to get.

Yep, here it is - (in mm):

Left foot L: 278, W: 101
Right foot L: 277, W: 105

Bont online size chart recommended 45/10.5.

However the shoes felt immediately too wide for my feet and length wise it feels 1/2 number (maybe more) too big.

Went back to my old Sidi shoes (44).

I wear Bont sub9 in 45. Any difference fitwise between these shoes you're aware of?

Thanks, If they fit too big on you then they will be decently bigger on me, probably too big. Was that with sox?

Funny because the shoes I bought from them before that I had to sell, because they were way too small were 44.5, which they stated I needed, but the shoes I got were 5mm smaller from heal to toe than they stated, so they were way too short.

Sorry, I've never tried Sub9s.

According to their chart, Sub9s and Riot+ should be close (both are 285mm in 45 and Sub9s is 10.75 vs 10.5 US for Riot+)

Take a look and let me know https://bontcycling.com/...port/size-chart.html