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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Tylertri] [ In reply to ]
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Tylertri wrote:
Skuj wrote:
Now we enter the Bookkeeping Error Phase:

https://thehill.com/...ping-error-new-york/

it is almost inevitable that once you enter the "sham trial" phase in the first place that other nonsensical phases would follow

the "bookkeeping error" phase is the opposite of and as silly as the "Trump knows everything that happens in the books of his multi billion dollar business and paid off a money grubbing whore to avoid election issues after 35 years of being painted as a playboy and having grab them by the Pu@@y already coming out" phase.

Anyone who tries to argue any "phase" of this has any more legitimacy than any other phase is in their "TDS high horse" phase

Dude, did we hear "Bookkeeping Error" until now? It's a new lie/tactic.

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I used to run. (31:09 10k.)
I never did Triathlon. (Sue me.)
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Skuj] [ In reply to ]
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Some Trumpbots are asking why the jury was allowed to go home over the last week. Normally I ignore Trumpbots, but I have to join them for this one question. Isn't there any concern (amongst thinking people too) that the jury will become influenced by all of the available media, family, friends, etc etc...?

I only swim.
I used to run. (31:09 10k.)
I never did Triathlon. (Sue me.)
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Trump just "truthed" out how unfair it is that the prosecution gets to go last (rebuttal to defense closing arguments) in presenting their closing arguments. Does he really think that he's being singled out here?

"Why can't the defense go last? Big advantage, very unfair. Witch hunt! DJT"

(except in all caps)

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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As always, either he is an idiot, thinks his followers are, or both. I'll go with both.

Is it also correct that he posted that the jury is going to have options (three?) about what he could be convicted for (it isn't "all or nothing") which he probably would have been told by his lawyers who say the judge's instructions?

If that is correct, that is bad news for Trump.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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If he’s acquitted on any of the charges he will claim it was “TOTAL EXONERATION!!!”

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Skuj] [ In reply to ]
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Skuj wrote:
Some Trumpbots are asking why the jury was allowed to go home over the last week. Normally I ignore Trumpbots, but I have to join them for this one question. Isn't there any concern (amongst thinking people too) that the jury will become influenced by all of the available media, family, friends, etc etc...?

That has been a risk throughout the trial. Maybe the risk of chatting with friends and neighbors is greater over a long holiday weekend. But, if we trust the jurors for the first 5-6 weeks of the trial, we might as well trust them over this long weekend.

Also, while I don’t know if Judge Merchan even had the power to sequester them, he might have had a near mutiny if he did. Taking all those days off — especially over the past two weeks — probably sits well enough with the jurors since they can go home each night. It would sit quite poorly if suddenly they were confined over the holiday weekend. It would be dubious, for example, to let Trump attend Barron’s graduation but then force all those jurors to spend the long weekend in some hotel sequestered from their own families.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [ike] [ In reply to ]
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A problem with sequestered juries is that they get to know each other and can start to discuss the evidence or deliberate in advance, which ca lead to mistrials, appeals, and new trials.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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“either he is an idiot, thinks his followers are, or both. I'll go with both. “

He’s a clever idiot and he knows his followers are willful idiots. How else could he put out two tweets on Memoral Day, one griping about his own self inflicted wounds and another quoting the Bible about the nobility of laying down you life for another, as a draft dodger himself, and expect it to count in the plus column for him.

His followers are manipulable tools and he knows it. He depend on it. He literally banks on it.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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DieselPete wrote:
A problem with sequestered juries is that they get to know each other and can start to discuss the evidence or deliberate in advance, which ca lead to mistrials, appeals, and new trials.

Another problem is that it is even harder to get people to serve on juries if they think they might get sequestered for a potentially lengthy period.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Tylertri] [ In reply to ]
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People see it as a sham trial partly because that's the narrative they've been fed, but also for a variety of reasons that really can't be surprising from a PR perspective.

From a MAGA perspective, two AGs under separate administrations declined to pursue the case, and now it seems like the Democrat NY AG is using a technicality to pursue tangential charges as a way to get around the statute of limitations on the accusation of campaign finance violations for something that happened more than 7 years ago. The falsification of business records charges depend on the intent to conceal other crimes, but Donald Trump isn't being charged with those "other crimes," which weakens the perception of what he is being prosecuted for. It's like getting Capone for tax violations. The key players are a porn actress and a "shyster" lawyer (Cohen) who is a well-known and admitted liar with an anti-Trump agenda. The AG prosecuting Donald Trump is a Democrat who publicly announced a policy not to pursue charges for minor offenses in NY anymore, such as prostitution and resisting arrest. And most critically, the entire case is unfolding in the run-up to an election in which the defendant is the presumptive Republican party candidate.

Regardless of the actual legal legitimacy of the case, there are lots of factors that are easily spun to cast doubt on the entire situation.


that's a lot of words to just say sham

Chadrick, you missed the 4 highlighted in pink words above. Let's go ahead and give it another try.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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DieselPete wrote:
As always, either he is an idiot, thinks his followers are, or both. I'll go with both.

Is it also correct that he posted that the jury is going to have options (three?) about what he could be convicted for (it isn't "all or nothing") which he probably would have been told by his lawyers who say the judge's instructions?

If that is correct, that is bad news for Trump.

I have not followed the closing instructions. Was the death penalty one of the instructions, betting you could get a couple "yays" to that.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SWEDE63] [ In reply to ]
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SWEDE63 wrote:
Tylertri wrote:
slowguy wrote:
People see it as a sham trial partly because that's the narrative they've been fed, but also for a variety of reasons that really can't be surprising from a PR perspective.

From a MAGA perspective, two AGs under separate administrations declined to pursue the case, and now it seems like the Democrat NY AG is using a technicality to pursue tangential charges as a way to get around the statute of limitations on the accusation of campaign finance violations for something that happened more than 7 years ago. The falsification of business records charges depend on the intent to conceal other crimes, but Donald Trump isn't being charged with those "other crimes," which weakens the perception of what he is being prosecuted for. It's like getting Capone for tax violations. The key players are a porn actress and a "shyster" lawyer (Cohen) who is a well-known and admitted liar with an anti-Trump agenda. The AG prosecuting Donald Trump is a Democrat who publicly announced a policy not to pursue charges for minor offenses in NY anymore, such as prostitution and resisting arrest. And most critically, the entire case is unfolding in the run-up to an election in which the defendant is the presumptive Republican party candidate.

Regardless of the actual legal legitimacy of the case, there are lots of factors that are easily spun to cast doubt on the entire situation.


that's a lot of words to just say sham


Chadrick, you missed the 4 highlighted in pink words above. Let's go ahead and give it another try.

Reading comprehension is one of Tyler’s many weaknesses.

Slowguy

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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"The records were not false and there was no intent to defraud,"

I dont really know how the records were not false....

Trump's defense has also claimed that there wasnt a meeting between stormy daniels and trump, and that Cohen is a liar.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [SWEDE63] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:

His followers are manipulable tools and he knows it. He depend on it. He literally banks on it.

They have never let him down.

Well, ChadTri did in the last election but he's back on board. Hard core.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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How will trump feel about his attorney calling cohen a GLOAT(greatest liar of all time) in closing argument? When obviously he leads in this category though many on lesser scale because he refuses to testify or take the 5th.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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Blanche couldn't get through closing without pissing off the judge. He asked the jury not to send his client to prison.

“Making a comment like that is highly inappropriate,” the judge said. “It is simply not allowed, period. It’s hard for me to imagine how that was accidental.”

Apparently he also reminded Blanche that he was a prosecutor long enough to know better. The jury will have to receive some curative statement from the judge.

I doubt the defense cares.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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Earlier I made the argument that it made no sense that defense is claiming that Cohen stole money from trump because Cohen was paid retainer, and you couldnt steal as part of your retainer. YOU COULD steal if it was a reimbursement.

The prosecution is hammering this. The issue with trump's arguments is they dont make any logical sense.

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Steinglass makes the excellent logical point that you cannot argue Cohen stole money and also claim the $420,000 was just the payment of legal fee retainer-- it is one or the other. If the $420,000 is just legal fees, then no part of it is theft of a reimbursement payment.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]
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sosayusall wrote:
The issue with trump's MAGA cult is they dont make any logical sense.
t;ftfy?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [Dilbert] [ In reply to ]
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Biden Harris account with a harsh burn on the Orange Idiot.

https://www.threads.net/...fQBU7msKbrDHKw0Rza0Q

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Fucks News online talking heads making lots of claims about procedural unfairness during closing.

Says all one needs to know about where they understand the merits - and the verdict - are heading.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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Greg66 wrote:
and the verdict - are heading.


Careful. I've consistently said in this thread that any shot-calling is super sketchy. None of us really knows what life is as one of the jurors, nor the dynamic among the jury.

That said, Fox News doesn't care. Making claims of procedural unfairness is win-win for them. If Trump is guilty - well it's because of procedural unfairness. If Trump is not-guilty, it's clearly because the jury saw through the prosecutorial incompetence and their unfairness.

It's just like MAGA/Trump already claiming the 2024 election is fraudulent/rigged. It's win-win.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [trail] [ In reply to ]
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I wasn’t commenting on where I see the merits are going; just where it looks like Fox thinks they are going.

As you say, shitting on the procedural fairness is a win-win for them for the reasons you identify.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trial [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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After Fox called AZ for Biden in 2020 they started receiving death threats. Because there are GOP voters stupid enough to mistake a TV show for the election. They thought that the Fox call was actually affecting the actual election results, Instead of seeing a bunch of data nerds crunching numbers and trying to make a prediction.

So you see, there could be a simpler explanation. Fox doesn't want to take the blame again for a negative outcome?
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