Why not? Make everything like CAT bike racing. I have been on teams where we didn't have enough boys and we recruited girls, to still do decent. If boys limited to boys only, we would have never got a chance to play

Because I greatly enjoy watching women's sports as pure women's sports. I just watched stage 5 of the Vuelta Feminina.

There will be not one millimeter of movement for me on this position. Argument is futile.

No argument, but are you watching for the reason athletic females are attractive? On that note yes, I support all female events. But the world of "fair play" is coming arbitrary

I'm not sure that has a simple answer given, as a cisgender male, the female form is generally pleasant to look at even at a subconscious level.

But, no, I don't think that's way up on the list of reasons. I watch just as much men's sports. I watch women's sports with kit that doesn't emphasize the female form (granted there aren't many sports like that). My favorite female athletes are often not considered "Instagram hot." - I won't name names because I hate playing the "hot or not" game. I enjoy the essence and drama of good competition. Women's sports doubles that for me.

RogerC39 is a labor lawyer and probably knows this stuff well.

My understanding tracks yours. The occasional innocent mistake does not violate the law. Persistently using the wrong pronoun, when you’ve been told the correct pronoun, could constitute harassment based on gender and possibly even a hostile work environment. Most people are capable of distinguishing between: (1) someone who wants to use the right pronouns, but just slips up from time to time and (2) someone who intentionally uses the wrong pronoun to antagonize the other person or to make some political point.

I'm not sure that cat racing is a good example.

It's been years, but my recollection is that they would run men's and women's both separately or combined. So you could see at the same event a women's Cat 1/2/3 race and then a men's 5/women's 4 race. And while men wouldn't be allowed to race in an exclusively women's race, women were allowed to race with the men. I remember my daughter racing both the women's 1/2/3 and then the men's pro/1/2 race for training and experience.

They often raced juniors by age all together, and then broke down the winners by sex.

The knowledge that she is on puberty blockers and hormone therapy is itself HIPAA-protected information. So I presume it was voluntarily disclosed to the public at some point.

My assertion that she *likely* has a gender dysphoria diagnosis is that putting a young person on puberty blockers absent specific diagnosis would probably not be following standard medical practice. And it could conceivably be some other diagnosis than gender dysphoria, but that is the most likely.

And my assertion that she *likely* is/was undergoing counseling is that my lay reading indicates that arriving at medical intervention (drugs or surgery) is typically done only after exhausted "due diligence" in other forms of symptom relief. Which, per my understanding, usually involves a lot of talking to the person with dysphoria.....counseling.

Because then you lose women's divisions and you lose women's winners.

As an example, a girl won our country championship in XC last year with a time of 19:12, beating second place by 12 seconds. If you make it an open championship, when would have finished 72nd place.

Winning a championship in front of a crowd of spectators cheering you on is a whole different experience than finishing 72nd in an open race.

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Let’s separate her medical privacy from her name. In order to win her lawsuit she had to disclose her puberty blocker/hormone history. Those facts are essential to her case. Revealing certain personal facts can be the price of admission if you want the public courts to resolve your case.

But, in terms of revealing her name, she is a minor. Her complaint does not list her name. It just has her initials. And I’d expect a court to just use her initials or other anonymizer in its opinions.

Her family has been open about this, including some media coverage with her picture. So, it’s obvious who the “BPJ” is that the opinion references.

I have no idea what you mean. I never mentioned her name (and have already forgotten it) or anything related to the privacy of her name, and was purely discussing her medical history, which I made clear was speculation on my part. A claim was made she "needs counseling." I was speculating that she probably already gets it. That's all. It would, generally speaking, be unusual for a young child on puberty blockers to not also receive counseling in parallel. That is all.

Sorry for the confusion. I just meant let’s separate the two issues for analytical purposes and then had a paragraph on each issue. It was not at all a criticism direct at you.

Then we need weight divisions, age divisions, everyone podiums!

No worries!

You're just trolling at this point.

Now you're just talking crazy, I can't think of a single sport where those exist.