Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [s5100e] [ In reply to ]

Apr 30, 24 16:35

Post #576 of 597 (1068 views)

s5100e wrote:

trail wrote:

sphere wrote:

“This Judge has taken away my Constitutional Right to FREE SPEECH. I am the only Presidential Candidate in History to be GAGGED. This whole “Trial” is RIGGED, and by taking away my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THIS HIGHLY CONFLICTED JUDGE IS RIGGING THE PRESIDENTIAL OF 2024 ELECTION. ELECTION INTERFERENCE!!!”

Donald Trump Truth Social 02:09 PM EST 04/30/24

It's always easy to figure out when court is in recess. Those thumbs immediately get to work.

Does this count/ qualify as one more contempt of court or breach of the gag order infraction?

The gag order does not apply to statements about the judge or the DA. Although the reference to the trial being rigged potentially could apply to the jury, that is too loose to be a basis for contempt.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [sphere] [ In reply to ]

Apr 30, 24 17:15

Post #577 of 597 (1030 views)

sphere wrote:

“This Judge has taken away my Constitutional Right to FREE SPEECH. I am the only Presidential Candidate in History to be GAGGED. This whole “Trial” is RIGGED, and by taking away my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THIS HIGHLY CONFLICTED JUDGE IS RIGGING THE PRESIDENTIAL OF 2024 ELECTION. ELECTION INTERFERENCE!!!”

Donald Trump Truth Social 02:09 PM EST 04/30/24

When exactly IS "THE PRESIDENTIAL OF 2024 ELECTION?"

I know that the 2024 Presidential Election is in November

ETA: Often misquoted as "Forget it, he's on a roll"

"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [sphere] [ In reply to ]

Apr 30, 24 18:25

Post #578 of 597 (983 views)

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]

Apr 30, 24 19:11

Post #579 of 597 (932 views)

tigermilk wrote:

klehner wrote:

Justice Merchan has indicated that he feels that the law-mandated maximum of $1,000/infraction may not be enough. I really think that if Trump continues, there will be "incarceratory punishment" handed down by Merchan.

I would suggest doubling the fine with each infraction. Trump is likely too dumb to do the math on that one and would quickly dig himself into a big $ hole.

Max he can fine him is $1000 per NY rules. Which really makes jail the only escalation.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [LacticacidMCB] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 3:48

Post #580 of 597 (844 views)

LacticacidMCB wrote:

tigermilk wrote:

klehner wrote:

Justice Merchan has indicated that he feels that the law-mandated maximum of $1,000/infraction may not be enough. I really think that if Trump continues, there will be "incarceratory punishment" handed down by Merchan.

I would suggest doubling the fine with each infraction. Trump is likely too dumb to do the math on that one and would quickly dig himself into a big $ hole.

Max he can fine him is $1000 per NY rules. Which really makes jail the only escalation.

Every time he violates the order, schedule a hearing to discuss it on Wednesday afternoon. If that isn't enough, schedule another Saturday. He'll get tired of having his days tied up.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 4:22

Post #581 of 597 (820 views)

slowguy wrote:

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

Yes, in theory as part of his conditional release in his other criminal trials, one of the conditions is that he commits no other crimes, and this ruling technically breaks that. So in theory, though unlikely, he could be remanded in custody by the other judges.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 4:34

Post #582 of 597 (807 views)

slowguy wrote:

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

So you're saying we should see another bump in his approval ratings?

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 4:48

Post #583 of 597 (796 views)

slowguy wrote:

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

Wake me up when the words "remanded to" enter the chat.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 10:06

Post #584 of 597 (686 views)

slowguy wrote:

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

It. would make me feel better...if that was accurate. Joyce Vance (Law Prof, MSNBC/NBC Legal Analyst, Podcaster Before: US Atty, Fed'l prosecutor) opines:

Quote:

There has been a suggestion that Trump is in violation of the terms of his pre-trial release in this and other cases, which require that he not commit any new crimes. I’ve looked into that, and my tentative conclusion is that these charges don’t technically qualify as “crimes.” Prosecutors asked the Judge to issue a show cause order pursuant to Judiciary Law § 751A, a series of laws that define the powers of courts in New York. The contempt provision found here permits a Judge to make a finding of contempt, as we discussed above, to protect the integrity of court proceedings. It is not a charge brought via a grand jury and tried in court. That sort of contempt is found in New York’s criminal code, which provides for felony charges, but it was not used here—that would have been a long, drawn-out process. So this contempt finding is not a clear violation of law that would suffice to revoke Trump’s bond in this or other cases where he is on pre-trial release.

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [klehner] [ In reply to ]

May 1, 24 10:22

Post #585 of 597 (660 views)

klehner wrote:

slowguy wrote:

sphere wrote:

Trump held in contempt on 9 of 10 submissions by the prosecution.

$1k per offense, no judicial discretion, which puts jailing for future offenses closer to the touch line.

Trump will have to balance his unmanageable impulses against his fear of incarceration versus his perceived benefit of leveling up his martyrdom narrative.

If it makes you feel any better, since he was found guilty of criminal contempt, I think this technically makes Donald Trump a “convicted criminal.”

It. would make me feel better...if that was accurate. Joyce Vance (Law Prof, MSNBC/NBC Legal Analyst, Podcaster Before: US Atty, Fed'l prosecutor) opines:

Quote:

There has been a suggestion that Trump is in violation of the terms of his pre-trial release in this and other cases, which require that he not commit any new crimes. I’ve looked into that, and my tentative conclusion is that these charges don’t technically qualify as “crimes.” Prosecutors asked the Judge to issue a show cause order pursuant to Judiciary Law § 751A, a series of laws that define the powers of courts in New York. The contempt provision found here permits a Judge to make a finding of contempt, as we discussed above, to protect the integrity of court proceedings. It is not a charge brought via a grand jury and tried in court. That sort of contempt is found in New York’s criminal code, which provides for felony charges, but it was not used here—that would have been a long, drawn-out process. So this contempt finding is not a clear violation of law that would suffice to revoke Trump’s bond in this or other cases where he is on pre-trial release.

It may not qualify as a violation of his pre-trial release terms, but the charge Vance links to is indeed "criminal contempt."

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 8:55

Post #586 of 597 (478 views)

Headlines of the day (things actually fairly consistent).

1) NPR - top headline - biden supports right to protest but denounces choas. (trump trial not on top headlines)
2) USA Today - Biden's speech "violence is not protected" (trump trial #2)
3) BBC - Biden's speech #1 (trump's trial number 3 story)
4) CNN - Trump trial #1, Biden's speech #2 - different headline than the rest saying "Biden says protests have not changed his stance"
5) fox - Biden's speech #1, Story #2 "No Leadership" headline - story about biden, #3 Trump trial.

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 9:25

Post #587 of 597 (457 views)

sosayusall wrote:

Headlines of the day (things actually fairly consistent).

1) NPR - top headline - biden supports right to protest but denounces choas. (trump trial not on top headlines)
2) USA Today - Biden's speech "violence is not protected" (trump trial #2)
3) BBC - Biden's speech #1 (trump's trial number 3 story)
4) CNN - Trump trial #1, Biden's speech #2 - different headline than the rest saying "Biden says protests have not changed his stance"
5) God - Biden's speech #1, Story #2 "No Leadership" headline - story about biden, #3 Trump trial.

Got #5 from a burning bush?

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 9:37

Post #588 of 597 (437 views)

sosayusall wrote:

Headlines of the day (things actually fairly consistent).

1) NPR - top headline - biden supports right to protest but denounces choas. (trump trial not on top headlines)
2) USA Today - Biden's speech "violence is not protected" (trump trial #2)
3) BBC - Biden's speech #1 (trump's trial number 3 story)
4) CNN - Trump trial #1, Biden's speech #2 - different headline than the rest saying "Biden says protests have not changed his stance"
5) God - Biden's speech #1, Story #2 "No Leadership" headline - story about biden, #3 Trump trial.

#6 - 1440 todays breifs -- nothing on Biden's speech, Honest Don Trial. (Good morning. It's Thursday, May 2, and we're covering campus tensions, a new chapter for the United Methodist Church, and much more.)

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 12:33

Post #589 of 597 (361 views)

Anything new on the trial? Has trump fallen asleep yet again. Surely there is some new tidbits from the trial?

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SWEDE63] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 12:51

Post #590 of 597 (341 views)

SWEDE63 wrote:

Anything new on the trial? Has trump fallen asleep yet again. Surely there is some new tidbits from the trial?

https://www.dailykos.com/...first-criminal-trial

"Vonshitzinpants" has officially been entered into the court record.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [geetee] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 14:43

Post #591 of 597 (260 views)

Vonshitzinpants is now trending

Maybe it’ll stick. Gonna leave a mark.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 17:32

Post #592 of 597 (176 views)

Kay Serrar wrote:

Vonshitzinpants is now trending

Maybe it’ll stick. Gonna leave a mark.

It is a great name, but I don't think that anyone will say that it is his number 1 name.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 18:13

Post #593 of 597 (146 views)

He claimed today that the “unconstitutional gag order” prohibits him from testifying.

Not clear if he really knows he’s full of shit, or if he just can’t differentiate between reality and make believe anymore.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 18:35

Post #594 of 597 (127 views)

Rick_pcfl wrote:

Kay Serrar wrote:

Vonshitzinpants is now trending

Maybe it’ll stick. Gonna leave a mark.

It is a great name, but I don't think that anyone will say that it is his number 1 name.

I prefer "the great big orange covfefe".

I only swim.
I used to run. (31:09 10k)
I never did Triathlon.
Sue me.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 19:33

Post #595 of 597 (60 views)

Rick_pcfl wrote:

Kay Serrar wrote:

Vonshitzinpants is now trending

Maybe it’ll stick. Gonna leave a mark.

It is a great name, but I don't think that anyone will say that it is his number 1 name.

Definitely a #2.

You line em up…

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]

May 2, 24 19:50

Post #596 of 597 (52 views)

Rick_pcfl wrote:

Kay Serrar wrote:

Vonshitzinpants is now trending

Maybe it’ll stick. Gonna leave a mark.

It is a great name, but I don't think that anyone will say that it is his number 1 name.

Definitely #2. Heh.

The best part is that he has to sit there, in an uncomfortable chair in criminal court, and listen to people say shitty things about him for weeks on end. And we haven't even gotten to the good witnesses yet, like Cohen, Stormy and McDougal.

The stress is definitely getting to that thing on his head.

Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [geetee] [ In reply to ]

May 3, 24 0:57

Post #597 of 597 (3 views)

Fox News happily reporting Trump’s words outside court, which are that he’s going to appeal the Inc in situational fag order because it’s ridiculous and ”stops him testifying”:

"He has me under an unconstitutional gag order. Nobody's ever had that before. And we don't like it, and it's not fair. Other people are allowed to do whatever they want to us, and i'm not allowed as...the Republican Party nominee, and the one who's leading Biden by a lot, I'm not allowed to talk," Trump said.

"So I'm not allowed to testify because of an unconstitutional gag order. We're appealing the gag order. And let's see what happens," Trump added.

If you thought Fox might correct that obvious and egregious lie as part of its reporting to a readership that it positively encourages not to trust other sources because of their bias, you’d be sadly disappointed.

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